@ercanbrack
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@hellquist
It seems the rich text rendering of links is not universally useful. I noticed that when I am looking at my own interlinked toots from different mastodont instances, links and generally rich formatting are stripped.
Lesson: when speaking to others about links we want them to click, always include a naked link. Proper links are more useful when speaking to self.
re friendica & markdown: I looked into it and apparently there is an addon for friendica enabling Markdown, so if you self-host, that would be an option. For public services it seems the only way to find out is to create an account.
I explored the HTML stripping and rendering issue and concluded that it's completely out of control of the original poster. There are at least 3 places where rendering changes can happen:
1. your home instance when you post can strip rich text formatting (it certainly does convert markdown or whatever you use to html which is the raw ActivityPub transport, c.f., https://github.com/tootsuite/mastodon/issues/11115)
2. when the status/post is federated, the receiving instance can strip any rich formatting
3. even when the formatting survives all that, the end-user client can choose to render or strip: Web ap vs. FediLab vs. Tusky.
In between these 3 there's plenty what can go wrong. For me, the lesson learned is that when communicating to others, go as plain as possible - make no assumptions on client rendering (e.g., no embedded links). When just noting for self to display on your timeline/wall, do whatever you like.
For comparison how just different Mastodon instances (not speaking of completely different platforms) display the same toot:
- https://qoto.org/@FailForward/105645352449165283
- https://mstdn.social/@calculsoberic?max_id=105646478895847045 <-- search for the same boosted toot in the timeline
BTW, a trick to discover how a toot would look at a different instance, look for boosts or responses from that instance and then browse the display at their timeline.
@hellquist @FailForward It’s interesting that you mention BBCode and Markdown. Everything that I see in my Mastodon clients seems to be just basic text. What specifically are you doing to your text in your posts? ie Bold, Italics, etc?
@hellquist @FailForward Ha! It appears that had I waited a bit longer and read through the thread completely, I would have learned the answer as to why I may not be seeing the markup. I agree with @FailForward—for consistency across the Fediverse plain text (or as basic as possible) may be the key, due to the differences in the countless clients and front ends.
🙂 Try to use Mastodon web interface and click either on my profile, or click on the timestamp of this toot (top right corner - it's the toot age).
# What you will see
## Will probably surprise you
1. but **maybe** not _too much_
2. still can be an ~~interesting~~ experience
Either way, you'll see different stuff than you are used to.
| a | b | c | d | e |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| xxx | | **uuu** | | |
| | rr | | | |
and maybe even something else
<img src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c0/Raster_graphic_fish_40X46squares_hdtv-example.png/675px-Raster_graphic_fish_40X46squares_hdtv-example.png" width="100%"/>
Like it?
If you look at this via some app, most likely **half** is plain _text_ and the rest is scrambled.
Here's a comparison of what you experience and what I experience on Mastodon. Very different...
@FailForward @hellquist Quite nice indeed! What is the difference?
I just realised it strips even the `img` tag. That sucks. So the only reliable way to include images is to upload them as attachments. But that is stupid, as often they would be from 3rd party websites... Well, I am misusing Mastodon here at qoto obviously...
While we are at this, maybe you can show me how were the different renderings of the boosted friendica post you sent yesterday about northern England. Here's how I experience it at QOTO. I also saw how it looks natively at Friendica (basically the same). Could you perhaps upload a screenshot how it looks like at usual Mastodon instances (or Pleroma)?
Well, it's clear what is going on. The post is federated in its raw HTML form. The mess of the display which happens then is clearly screw-ups of the individual front-ends which themselves chose to either strip or not the HTML tags before sending it to the browser. Also, some clients/front-ends obviously "overdo" in that they add a thumbnail card, or additional profile picture, or the attached image. This makes sense when you expect that east status/post will be plaintext. If it's not, you either should not touch it, or completely strip it.
My conclusion from this is that I absolutely cannot rely on how my posts will be rendered to others. Sometimes also essential information is stripped, e.g., links included via `a` tag or images included via `img` tag - very bad.
To be on the safe side - if you want a post to be widely shared, it should stick to the original Mastodon plaintext format.
In other words, what we have here is a classic FOSS issue: backend architecture and protocols - great. Front-end: semi-fail. Like taking it to 85% of the job, where the remaining 15% are so obvious that it sends casual end-users crying, while techies like most of us just shrug, accept the damage and move on.
@hellquist @FailForward Yep. Sadly...
I start to think about Fediverse not as platforms (Mastodon, Friendica, etc.), but rather in terms of instances. Many instances are heavily customised. Me joining qoto.org gives me a completely different experience than you joining friendica, or mastodon.online, or whatever else. In effect, my experience with rich text formatting, etc. at qoto.org is somewhat similar to what you'd get on friendica plain. But with those fast timelines... I imagine other platforms (like Pleroma, or glitch-soc) are modified towards other mixture and weighing of the same ingredients in a slightly different outcome.
So maybe the solution for your friends is this:
- let them join an instance which you recommend (if you have any power over that) to make sure than among your group you will share good experience and tech features.
- of course outside that single platform it's not going to be great, but those are those other people.
- so there will be some frustration, but most of it will be kept outside your circle of friends/family.
Something like that...
@hellquist @FailForward Agreed! I’ve researched a lot, and I think the Fediverse is the future. I just have to figure out how best to use it, so that I can recommend it to friends in a way that will offer the best experience possible. 🙂
@FailForward @hellquist Agreed
@FailForward @hellquist Ah, I can see the linj in the Mastodon web interface, but not in Amaroq.
No fancy anything. Just text of which the last line being the link URL copied straight from browser adressbar.