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@rysiek@mastodon.technology FF and Seamonkey/Lightning calendar (just because I don't want full Thunderbird installed).

@jens
Actually, I think it can be a win scenario. We just need to push our horizons forward towards longer term. I am telling my kids this: "I know you don't like this. Me neither. But I am doing it, so that you become a good person 20+ years from now."

Think about it this way: in a previous response, you expressed gratitude to your parents. That's what we are working towards: so that they are one day grateful to us for who they became - with all the positives as well as negatives. Then, I hope, parenting can be a win. And to stress that, I try to be explicit about that gratitude of mine with my old guys too. I also know it cheers them up, especially because it's honest and true.

@jens just to add: I passionately disagree with the last verses of that poem 😄

@jens Yes, yes and yes. There's just one thing I always do when the conversation comes to this point 😉 : poetryfoundation.org/poems/484

@jens Whatever works for you there. Hauptsache being that you're OK.

As for how we are raised, yes, I recognise that. I made a relevant (deep?) observation recently: some personality traits tend to be the true drivers of our lives. They serve us well for decades. Until they don't. I personally (retrospectively) realised that it's exactly those things which I found very precious in my upbringing and personality traits which drove my inner "machine", which later led me into a dead end. They did not cause the ensuing hardships, but contributed to me getting stuck and in a way prevented me to find a way out sooner. The solution to such qualms was to rebuild one's world, to become somebody slightly different. Still the same person, but now with slightly shifted (perhaps balanced?) values. And that's f**ing hard. Hard because we so much value the way we were raised, not realising that maybe some parts of that became (or always were) obsolete over time in this changing world. I learned to _accept_ that.

@piggo ocaml is the language I always wanted to use really but always ended up with something what also monkeys can deal with.

@jens It's a matter of priorities. There are things which are absolutely important (child, health, other humans) and those which are less so (work, projects, hobbies, etc.).

What helps me is to think long-term: what does a week of time spent on "X instead of Y" in a life of a human being make in the grand scale of things?

You don't need to forgive yourself - you did nothing wrong. I'd say "acceptance" is the right term to consider here.

With these thoughts, maybe you'd be interested to read a bit on (modern) Stoic philosophy.

@Oskar456 To nevyzera ako random odpad, skor to je asi bezna nahlasena "kopa" po ktoru pride o par hodin auto z "mestskych sluzieb" (podla toho ako sa to Tvojom meste presne vola). A medzitym sa tato konkretna kopa mierne rozsypala, ale to sa spravi.

Angry about Americans and Date Formats 

@kensanata

re mapping saints to days: of course I know about that (some EU countries I care about still keep namesdays mostly matching catholic calendar and more as a formal thing). As far as my knowledge about that part of history goes, people did not really "map" all of the saints on specific days. In the end the calendar was "kept" by the church, so it was easy to just rely on the priest to let you know when a specific day it will be comming next week or month. Agreements were also often easily made based on the phase of the moon - still a granularity of 2-5 days.

We also have some historical records for how people handled appointments. Take Switzerland, which you no doubt know well. The date/time agreements people made for moving cows to/from mountains are a good example for how people treated date setting several hundred years back. Those were rather rough agreements, weren't they? Judging by historical novels written some 100-150 years back, we know that sometimes people would be waiting for days/weeks for an event they expected to happen.

Anyhow, good luck with the frustrating dates there. I know that frustration well 🙂 .

@tsturm

Angry about Americans and Date Formats 

@kensanata @tsturm Let's be a bit philosophical about all this.

The whole outrage stems from our growing(?) intolerance of uncertainty and the resulting need for precision in pieces of information such as dates.

Look at it this way: 300 years ago when regular blokes agreed on a meeting, they set a day (like e.g., St. John, or so) and the approximate position of the sun (noon, dawn, etc.). Some further 500 years back, people agreed to meet in the spring somewhere around where river X joins river Y. It worked. Mostly.

My point is this: much coarser levels of precision worked for humankind for millennia, so take it from the positive side: historically speaking, date precision sometime between June or November used to be good enough for most human purposes, so what are we complaining about? Let the uncertainty creep back into your life again!

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@mathias From the description this looks to do what MIcrosoft Lens does. Of course the privacy blady bla is perhaps a diff, but what do I know...

dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/ar

An interesting note on depicting dinosaurs based on their skeletal remains. The main point is that real life animals have all sorts of skin flas, fat deposits, etc. Dinosaurs probably looked much different than we depict them. To illustrate the point, the piece contains several pictures of contemporary animals drawn in the same style as we draw prehistoric animals: take the bones, put some muscles on the skeleton, shrink-wrap in skin and we are done.

The animals like baboon, hippo or zebra look really hillarious this way.

![](i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/12/0)

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