Aż mi się przypomina ziomek co mnie święcie przekonywał, że zmywarka nie ma sensu.

Nie chcesz to nie używaj, przecież ja Ci nie bronie, ale po kiego do mnie przychodzisz i narzucasz swoją perspektywę na mnie uprzednio podeptawszy i ignorawszy moją?

@bperruche Ty kiedyś chyba też nie widziałeś sensu w zmywarkach, ale w moim wpisie chodzi o kumpla ze studiów, który się zachowywał jakby mi ta zmywarka krzywdę robiła.
Jak kupiłem mamie zmywarkę lata temu, to do dzisiaj mi dziękuję, że „best gift ever i nie wybobrażała sobie życia przed i do tego tak pięknie umyte!” (tak, nauczyłem ją jak poprawnie jej używać).

@HAK I like old stuff but I do not deny modernization and inventions. After all without that we would not have art nouveau :-) the code of it was modernization, new materials and new techniques. It was the opposition to the old and stagnant ways of thinking and doing. Yet, I am not necessarily happy with all what the current trends bring. Especially when the cost justifies everything.

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@bperruche sure, not everything modern is good, but at the same time it dosen’t mean everything new sucks ’cuz cost justifies **everything**. Expensive (and good) stuff still exists. Cheap stuff is possible (and abundant (’cuz otherwise it would be not accessible to the masses)).

@HAK sure, cheap does not mean bad. I rather thought about things where cost drives a good project into something that in the end is not good, and the cost cut was not even making sense.

See pato developerka in Poland.

@bperruche Sorry, don’t understand. They cut costs ’cuz consumers cannot afford more.
The choice is no‑home vs at‑least‑something.
Market drives that. Poles are poor.
There are plenty of developers for different segments, and poor consumer choose based on prices.
Pato consumers = pato developerka xD
It doesn’t mean better more expensive flats are not available, only that there are less consumers for them.

@HAK well, is not like you are saying something wrong xD

Probably another instance of the classic problem where people do not want to pay and then complain. Still, I am not saying that the developer is necessarily to be blamed for everything. People can produce everything, but this comes with a price tag.

Would I take the cheapest flat, just because I need one? No.

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