JonKramer, CIS-HET @JonKramer@social.cleverlibre.org
BS in Physics. Will not tolerate hate. I am active here and on Post.
Joined Nov 2022
@ThisPlaceAgain Not enough giant chickens either.
My gods.... what have you done to me? I can only think about deserts and whipped cream....
She Works Hard For The Brownies.
@Debnumbers@universeodon.comAnarchy In The Bakery
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Ain't No Peach Crumble High Enough
@Radical_EgoCom@kolektiva.social , I see the problem as the court saying that the companies can stack the deck and sue over ANY costs. It doesn't look like the workers or the union did anything to enhance the concrete hardening, and they knew they were operating without a valid contract, and still ordered the concrete to be made.
@LouisIngenthron @Pat Incredibly easy to tell if I am a troll. Trolls don't block people.
@LouisIngenthron @Pat , Well I guess you can learn what it means in this context:
@LouisIngenthron @Pat I don't know what country you live in, but that is not the case in the USA. 49 out of 50 of our states are what is termed "at will" states. There is zero need for, and in many case, no contracts signed.
@LouisIngenthron @Pat I think you need to check into that a bit more. It can be to set up an initial contract, to modify an existing contract, to replace a contract that has ended... all sorts of different conditions.
@LouisIngenthron @Pat , I mean, I can't be more firmly grounded in reality than I am when pointing out that there was no contract. It is undisputed fact.
@LouisIngenthron @Pat , from the article I googled up, and I am sure common to almost every single story written about this event: "The dispute centers on an incident in which members of Teamsters Local 174 went on strike after negotiations broke down over a new collective bargaining agreement."
The workers didn't have a contract. This isn't even remotely in dispute.
@LouisIngenthron @Pat , and in this case, with the teamsters, there was no contract. None. That was why they went of strike.
@LouisIngenthron @Pat , not really, Uber is trying like hell to claim that their drivers are independent contractors, and part of that is very limited written records. It is pretty safe to assume that the contract with Uber says basically that if the ride is canceled, the driver must drop off the fare at the nearest safe point, and nothing more.
As for me, I will toss the rider out in a snow storm 50 miles from the nearest shelter if they cancel on me.
@LouisIngenthron @Pat It's two sides of the same contract. Labor doesn't have additional responsibilities that another individual doesn't. You meet the terms of the contract. If there is no contract, then there is no moral responsibility. If the uber driver has the right to terminate the contract in the middle of the ride, and does, then the passenger is out of the car. If you don't like that term in a contract, don't agree to it upfront if you are the passenger.
Simply put, if it isn't in writing, then it isn't the responsibility of either party.
@Hyolobrika@berserker.town I didn't know there was a character limit. I do not feel like answering questions about every single book (all) ever printed. Your 'follow up questions; indicate to me either you don't understand the issue, or are looking to sealion me.
@LouisIngenthron @Pat , I am trying to think of other examples of quitting on the spot. I am not sure how familiar you are with Uber, but in the app, you can cancel a ride at any time. Some passengers do this during the ride in order to avoid paying.Does the driver have any responsibility to continue to drive the passenger?
If you are a trucker, and are hauling a load, and the company you are hauling for fires you in route. Do you still have to deliver your load at your expense??
@josephthomas This is why there is a 2nd amendment.
@LouisIngenthron @Pat you see, the striking workers did NOT turn off the frozen food truck. They returned it to the depot and left it in care of management, still running.
That isn't kicking a hole in the wall on the way out.
@LouisIngenthron @Pat if turning off the bulldozer causes some form of harm, yes. Leave it running. Turning it off would be direct harm against company equipment.
BS in Physics. Will not tolerate hate. I am active here and on Post.
Joined Nov 2022
