I wonder if "democracy as we know it" ever actually existed. Though I will concede that we are probably farther from it than we have ever been, given that our starting point was pretty distant, I have to wonder, how much worse could this really be?

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@Darryl "Farther from it than we ever have been" is crazy. For much of America's history, we excluded like 3/4 the population from voting.

We've taken a step back in the past few years, but we're still freer and more democratic than 99% of human history, and that's not nothing.

We just have to hold strong against the rising tide of fascism.

@LouisIngenthron

Thanks. Fair point. But our fallback is not limited to the fascism of the last few years. There are the ever increasing powerful oligarchies that control the political establishment, and has been increasing its power for the past 50 years.

So I accept your point that people were excluded completely from politics in the past and now have marginally more. However of those who had some influence, 90% have less, so over all there are a very few who have any and democracy is terminally broken.

In short, holding back against the rising tide of fascism will not be sufficient.

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