Louis Ingenthron @LouisIngenthron@social.cleverlibre.org

@freemo Well, that depends on which "old definition" you mean. Originally, it included the sun and moon. Earth didn't even qualify for the definition for a long time, and for a while, it included at least three asteroids.

@freemo Okay, that's where I take issue. The unmodified term "planet" has a very strong connotation, both in scientific and common use, of referring only to major planets, not to the larger category (to the point where Wikipedia doesn't even have a separate article on "major planet"; it just redirects you to "planet"... it does, however, have a separate article on "dwarf planets")

Personally, I think we should classify them only by size:
1) Asteroid - not rounded
2) Barren Planet- round, but not massive enough to hold atmo (pluto, mercury, the moon)
3) Terrestrial planet- has atmo, but clear surface division between gas & liquid if any (venus, earth, mars, titan)
4) Gas giant planet- massive enough that atmo smoothly transitions from gas-to-liquid with altitude
5) Dwarf stars
6) Mainline stars
7) Giant stars,
8) Neutron stars,
9) Black holes

@freemo Right, but by those criteria, Pluto is a dwarf planet, which is distinct from a main-class planet.

But okay, so it sounds like your definition is:
1) Big enough for geostatic equilibrium
2) Small enough for no fusion
3) Orbiting a star

Correct?

@freemo No, but the point of the question was that it *does* orbit another star (two actually).

@freemo Okay, I thought I was done, but that raises a new question: Is Alpha Centauri C, aka "Proxima Centauri", a planet?

@freemo Haumea is pretty far from round too; it's an ellipsoid.

Okay, two more:

Is the sun a planet?

Is a hypothetical body the size and mass of earth, but not orbiting any star (i.e. a "rogue" body) a planet?

@freemo Are smaller comets and asteroids planets?

@freemo How about Haumea or Titan?

@freemo Is Ceres too then?

@argv_minus_one Correct, although the bug affects both case 1 and case 3.

As for your latter point, in this case, Point is a C# struct, so no allocation takes place. (Also, that was a relic of older code where an additional transformation took place at the end. It is a bit redundant now.)

@freemo Sure, but that's when you bring receipts. If someone ignores evidence that supports your argument while failing to produce any evidence that supports their own, then this is not a person who seeks truth, and they should not be taken seriously.

@freemo I'd say that's true if you disagree about opinion.
But if I debate someone online and they choose to ignore facts to maintain the narrative that's in their head, I know they're probably not going to be offering anything useful to further conversations.

@freemo #3 is absolutely true. It does take some time.
#1 is somewhat true, but if you toggle often enough, you learn to switch contexts mentally pretty quickly. I can still write in QWERTY maybe like 75% as fast as I can for Dvorak, and its pretty cool how even the muscle memory retains both tracks.
For #2, that only really matters while you're learning. Once you know the layout, you shouldn't be looking at the keyboard while you're typing anyway (hence why I recommend a blank one).

What I notice most about Dvorak, though, is that I never reach across the keyboard. With QWERTY, I'm constantly cross-typing, but in Dvorak, my hands barely move from the home row.

@freemo I love it. I consider the QWERTY->Dvorak upgrade to be similar to the upgrade from membrane to mechanical keyboards. At this point, I've been doing it so long that I can mentally switch between the two keyboard layouts at will (and I have a shortcut to do so since there are still a few programs that don't respect it).

One cool thing is that Windows allows you to further customize keyboard layouts, so I'm actually running my own custom variant of Dvorak, optimized for coding in my language of choice, that still uses QWERTY for shortcuts (so cut/copy/paste are where they always were).

If you do ever decide to make the leap, I highly recommend using a blank keyboard (I like the Das Keyboard 4 Ultimate myself). That way, you can apply cheap stickers with the dvorak layout to the top that act like training wheels. When you don't need them anymore, remove them and use the keyboard blank to (a) reinforce your memory and (b) not trip yourself up when switching between layouts.

@csstrowbridge At this point I have to assume you're trolling me. Nobody is really this obtuse in the face of overwhelming evidence. Goodbye.

@csstrowbridge No, the owners of interactive computer services are already publishers... of their own content. Just as users are publishers of their own content.

There is no magical "switchover" condition like you're describing that suddenly makes one responsible for the content published by another.