It's 2023 and I'm astonished that so many intelligent religious people still make the bogus argument “without a #god there is no #morality” (or priorities, or goals).
Just this last week, on the #Triggernometry #podcast:
> _“Even the things you believe in, only make sense if there's a God. The only leap of faith I ever took was to say: **‘it's better to give a beggar bread than it is to torture a child to death’. You can't make that case without God.** That case, once you believe that, you believe in God.”_
— [Andrew Klavan](https://youtu.be/psOBFVzfF2E?t=3803)
> _“As Western civilization becomes increasingly individualistic and anti-religious, […] that bleeds over into a secular world that was living off sort of the fumes of a religious society. But as those fumes dissipate, **you end up with: ‘what do I do this morning?’ ‘how do I get up?’ ‘what is the moral obligation?’ ‘what's in it for me?’ […] What makes you do the thing you don't want to do?** […] It's three o'clock in the morning, your kid took a dump and now you have to change the diaper: what makes you get up, as opposed to just turning over and saying: ‘you deal with it, I'm going back to sleep’?”_
— [Ben Shapiro](https://youtu.be/fGvXdbFh1EE?t=465)
@tripu I wonder why that astonishes you.
Belief includes that there is no proof. So obviously, people that believe and want to convince others have a need to use bogus arguments.
Ok, that they use such a bad and easily disproven argument might be a point, but don't scammers usually try to weed out the intelligent victims to only deal with those easily scammed?
