Businesses like In-N-Out Burger are banning staff from wearing masks (unless they provide a medical note)

@luckytran

Considering the huge amount of harm masks has done to the deaf community, who rely on lip reading, and the excessive nature of mask wearing in general, I have to say I support this.

inb4: Obviously masks serve a purpose, particularly in a medical setting. But improper mask use (particularly all day use of the same mask and reuse) has the potential to spread disease as well. So even from the perspective of reducing the spread of germs its not a particularly good choice given the down sides IMO.

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@freemo @luckytran If masks are harmful when used the wrong way (all-day without changing), then better education seems to be the rational choice, while some burger joint forbidding masks won't do real good.

Furthermore, being in support claiming to be for the deaf community while ignoring that this will hurt those that need the protection from masks (which will either be pressured to not get a doctors note or have trouble getting one, possibly to monetary trobles) concerns me. It seems like you dislike everyday mask use, perhaps that could be an ulterior motive?

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> If masks are harmful when used the wrong way (all-day without changing), then better education seems to be the rational choice, while some burger joint forbidding masks won't do real good.

If there is a need for masks that outweighs the harm to the deaf community, then I agree, education is better than banning.

> Furthermore, being in support claiming to be for the deaf community while ignoring that this will hurt those that need the protection from masks (which will either be pressured to not get a doctors note or have trouble getting one, possibly to monetary trobles) concerns me.

Time and time again the official stance is that masks help everyone else and protects them from the wearer, not the other way around. So any argument for masks wrt to at-risk people would require everyone wearing one. That is even greater harm to the deaf community and even more excessive a request. So the policy of not having its employees wear masks makes sense. If you are an at-risk employee you'd need a full respirator to protect yourself at which point im not even sure you could be heard clearly enough to do your job.

> It seems like you dislike everyday mask use, perhaps that could be an ulterior motive?

Yes, and I stated my ulterior motives:

1) if not used properly it tends to cause more harm than good, and despite education efforts no one seems to use them properly.

2) It is immensly harmful to the deaf community.

Given its excessive nature combined with its potential to harm I dont feel the rewards outweigh the harm. That is my ulterior motive.

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