Had another meeting with today. They just need to have a fina vote and im in. By the sounds of it they expect me to be accepted. Very exciti ng.

@freemo Do you love them more than us, hmmm?

Joking of course, love is not rationed.

GL with your buddies, hope you hit it off!

@admitsWrongIfProven its too early for me to really have a strong opinion of them. But so farthey seem like good guys.

Seems promising.

@freemo Any human interaction where someone actually tries to understand you is to be treasured.

So, as i said, good luck. Anything that happens, you have the tools to evaluate if it is good. If they appreciate you that would be a nice thing.

@admitsWrongIfProven yea these guys seem to have meaningful conversations without the drama. So i. In for that alone.

@freemo I just hope your bias for profits regulating human interaction is not smudging this. If they make you disadvantage the poor, please think twice :-)

@admitsWrongIfProven why would freemasons, an organization that has a large emphesis on charity towards the poor do that.

@freemo How do you act charitably without extracting money first?
Where does it come from, did you create as much value as you donate? Is there any account on how that happened or is it set what you deem acceptable?

I might be a little devil on your neck, but i do think it must be clear what did the people donating do to have what they donate.

Are you donating work or tokens?

@admitsWrongIfProven

Most of the value is produced by man hoirs. You are encouraged to donate to the poor of course, but a lot of the focus is getting together and investing time in charitable works.

@admitsWrongIfProven more importantly to your point. While you may be able to criticize how they earned it, and right or wrong, the act of donating is ja good act of equal goodness regardless. Doing somethi g bad to get it is worth taking issue but doesnt diminish the giving.

@freemo I disagree. Hitler donating money to a jewish fund would not even get close to get him into acceptable human territory.

Money earned needs to be earned fairly, everything else invalidates giving it away... if i steal and plunder, donations are not a thing i do well. They are an excuse that i do out of shame, but to repent i need to acknowledge what i did wrong.

Maybe not what you wanted to say? I'll roll with you not doing anything wrong, but donations as repentance is wrong, very wrong.

@admitsWrongIfProven

Hitler donati g 1 million to a jewish fund may not make him a good person but it has no less value than anyone else donating it.

Any evil around the gaining of the money sits on its own. And while donating it wont negate that it also doesnt diminish the value of the donation

@freemo A human has no value that can be expressed in money. Even trying to is dehumanizing.

What anyone donates does not change who they are. It merely expresses how comfortable they are in their life. And that is sad, that humans even have to think about safty. We do have enough.

@admitsWrongIfProven has nothi g to do with money.. money is resource and time, giving someone money is they same as giving them time which is why money can buy time.

@freemo Exactly. Money is meaningless. A thing that can be exchanged for goods and services. Not a token of worth.
You can calculate all you want, loving people is not in this calculation. If that is what you took away from this, i will not need to worry about you.

@admitsWrongIfProven money is just an iou on time and effort. I can work to get money and give it to someone or just do the work direct for them. Its all liquid.

@freemo Well, you maybe. In the big picture, there have been inaccuracies. If you actually feel money is not something one should acquire, then i am not worried about what happens to you, because you will be immune. That is what i wanted to say. If one does not mean to align to profit, what could anyone do to them? Not much, and your new friends don't sound violent. Have fun! Kiss someone for me! Tell them it was for your weirdo friend ❤️

@admitsWrongIfProven caring about money is fine. What matters is what you do with it and how you getnit. As long as both of those are ethically aligned i have no objection.

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@freemo As long as you keep in touch with realistic borders. Don't let anyone tell you what is right. If you should come out of this changed, you should do so after a good nights sleep. On your own, out of any pressure.

@admitsWrongIfProven People changing me has never been a problem, if anything too much in the other direction.

@freemo I can worry about you if i want to :-)
What you do with it, if you want to hear it, your choice, ofc

@admitsWrongIfProven haha of course.

But grouos influencing me through favorable action is the least of my concerns.. honestly the bigger issue is people influencing me through negative action. Its one thing that has noticable driven me farther right than even id like.

@freemo So, wait... negative action. Not talk, but action. Driven right.

I am a bit confused. Who does action is usually the neonazis, not the bickering left. So if i get this right, then people that are for suffering, driving you to wish for more suffering (what i understand by "right") upon others?

Heh, probably not what you meant. I do think we agreee that "left" and "right" are useless categories.

You did prove one thing, an important thing. Someone pushing you does not just flip you around. I think you'll be all right after an intro to people that try to be all inclusive to the max.

And tomorrow, we might have some straight dick (look it up, an old saying) about how a lot of money might be a problem :-)

@admitsWrongIfProven No its not limited to action, but that too. Beleive itnor not a few years back id have been far more left leaning. But recent years of constant toxicity over any hint of independent thought combined with seen extreme violence first hand from largelynleft groups has notocable moved me towards a more antagonistic position towards the left.

When a group constantly abuses you for nuanced thought, even if it just words, it certainly causes an emotional negative response. Even as i fight against that tendency it is noticable and builds up and takes increasing effort to offset.

@freemo Well, left and right are meaningless anyway. Stop people that inflict pain, what else can there be? Lean all you want, some people do that, are still people, but need to be stopped. What they identify as, what they call themselfs, not all that relevant, is it?

@admitsWrongIfProven Normally not but since the incidents normally revolve around left and right the association is ubdeniable.

Keep in mind as an admin of an instance im also tsrgeted more than most.

@freemo I am not sure if this is a call for help. Please do call for help in PM in necessary.
Blah of blah, Editor of blah, shitposting central.

@admitsWrongIfProven Nah not a call for help. Just me with enougb alcohol in .e to be a bit more candid tha usual.

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