Im watching cop interaction videos and one thing i heard a few cops say now to people who refused to answer questions or give them a hard time.. they ask "Why do you hate cops so much?".... no no no buddy, these people dont hate you, they are **scared** of you, big difference. People just dont tend to like people they are scared of, but that is secondary!

@freemo Kinda scary how you consider me wrong on so many things, then you say such simple, yet useful truth. Reality is confusing, don't you agree?

@admitsWrongIfProven you are probably just noticing i am more direct about things i disagree. It isnt that i find you more wrong than anyone else might. Im just more likely to tell you.

@freemo That is a good point, another one for the wonder i have.

I generally see you as someone who wants to be kind, but i also see the "people should work for their keep", which i cannot reconcile with the rest.

After all, i am convinced people generally want to be useful. So pushing is not the direction that would help.

Some disconnect exists, and i cannot put my finger on what it is.

@admitsWrongIfProven No I dont think people should work for their keep. I can think of plenty of examples (like inheretance) where they don't and I'm ok with it.

What I think is that people shouldnt be forced to let you steal from them so they dont have to work for their keep (communism for exmaple)

@freemo Wait, stealing by random luck is good? I need a new random luck generator installed.

@admitsWrongIfProven Inheretance isnt stealing, the person wanted you to have it. Taxes are stealing in the sense that you are taking money against someones will to get it to someoneone else.

That said I''m actually not against taxes, but only when it benefits the greater good (and base line welfare that keeps people froms starving does that)

@admitsWrongIfProven what do you think of this argument?

@Hyolobrika

I think there is some truth to it. True by hyperbolic and lacking some nuance, but true enough to be a discussion point.

Civil laws for example, no matter how much you refuse to follow such laws, will ever wind you up in jail or (Assuming you dont have a corrupt cop) a death threat. The only way we could make this assertion is if we consider loosing all your money the same as a death sentance, which also has some truth to it, but is a stretch.

But for criminal laws, yea, at the end you either need to coorperate with the law or the consequences of breaking the law, or escalate the matter to the point of violence or jail time, and if you resist jail time by executing "self-defense" when they try to take you then you will likely end up dead.

So while I do get the point and admit to the principle having elements of truth, to say such a think is highly hyperbolic and lacking a complete picture.

@admitsWrongIfProven

Welfare is funded by taxes. Is not paying tax a civil offense or criminal in the US or Netherlands (your countries of residence) or Germany (admitsWrong's)?

Also,
>Civil laws for example, no matter how much you refuse to follow such laws, will ever wind you up in jail or (Assuming you don't have a corrupt cop) a death threat.
What if you refuse to give them your money?

@Hyolobrika

> Welfare is funded by taxes. Is not paying tax a civil offense or criminal in the US or Netherlands (your countries of residence) or Germany (admitsWrong's)?

No, simply not paying taxes is a civil offense, not a criminal one. They will come and take your money, but no risk of jailtime in and of itself.

Now it **can** be criminal but only indirectly. Like **lying** on your tax returns can absolutely be criminal. But simply not filing them at all, and therefore not paying taxes is not.

> What if you refuse to give them your money?

Then they will just take it by either directly taking it from your bank or by calling your employer and directly taking it from your paycheck before you get it.

If you have no bank account, or pay check they may take your property in a lawsuit such as putting a lein on your home. But it wouldnt be criminal to simply not pay. Civil cases dont become criminal when you dont pay. However if a judge makes a very explicit injunction in a civil case that you arent allowed to do something, and you do it anyway, then it can cost you much much more. If you misbehave in court you can get jailtime for contempt too, but again thats a bit of a stretch.

@admitsWrongIfProven

Okay, that's interesting. What countries is that the case in? Is it the case for the UK?
I guess for those countries, I was wrong.