@thomasfuchs You are absolutely correct that logic does not work, but there are things that will work under certain conditions. David McRaney wrote a book called "How Minds Change" that goes through some of the more effectiuve ways to help people come to better conclusions. Here is an interview that gives a brief outline of the book. -https://youarenotsosmart.com/2023/09/14/yanss-269-deconstructing-how-minds-change-with-michael-taft/