What is the most difficult #nonfiction or #academic #book you have ever #read? What made the #book so difficult for you? Would you #recommend others #read that #book?
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The Last Voyage of Somebody the Sailor, by John Barth. I was not prepared for the time jumps within the story. They left me slightly lost, until I caught on to the device. It's 33 years old now, but I would still recommend it today.
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Also sprach Zarathustra by Friedrich Nietzsche.
I could not make heads or tails of it. Its way of thinking was unpenetrable to me. At first I thought it was because of my limited understanding of the German language. So I tried a translation. Didn't help.
And what is yours?
@MarianHellema @reading @bookstodon Thank you for asking. I have found Heidegger and Kant's works challenging.
@bibliolater @MarianHellema @reading @bookstodon when I was doing my PhD another grad was German and she said she preferred to read Kant in English because it was even harder in German - at least with the translation someone had already tried to work out the meaning of the words.
But for me, Kant was nothing to Hegel. My lowest marks of my undergrad were for the Hegel course. I needed Peter Singer's Very Short Introduction to Hegel to explain it to me 🤣
@Rhube @MarianHellema @reading @bookstodon I was going to mention Hegel as well but thought the list would be too long.
@bibliolater @MarianHellema @reading @bookstodon it's kind of fascinating, because he was writing under heavy censorship and trying to obscure some of his rlmeaning from the authorities. But even so...
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During my semester abroad in Canada, we read Nietzsche's Genealogie der Moral (iirc) in English, which was confusing to many, as the translator did not elaborate the crucial semantic derivation of Schuld from schulden (again, iirc) - which is totally lost in English (debt/to owe).
Almost as confusing as commonly pronouncing [Hannah] Arendt like Ayn Rand. Took me a couple of weeks to figure that out. That was really odd.
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Maybe I should blame the translation then :) But frankly, it had more to do with my lack of philosophical bagage.
And I promise I'll never mispronounce Arendt, haha!
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That's a good story, a German preferring the translation to the original! But I might be better off with Peter Singer for Hegel.
I tried some Heidegger, long time ago. To an uninitiated like me, some of his language seemed totally non-sensical. Depending on my mood he made me laugh out loud or very annoyed. Maybe I should find some "Heidegger for dummies"....
@MarianHellema @bibliolater @reading @bookstodon Well, it's just the truth, not really a story.
Yes, of course, I didn't mean to imply you made it up!
@bibliolater @reading @bookstodon For me, it was THE FUTURE IS HISTORY, by Masha Gessen. All of her other work is pretty accessible, but this one was a bit more scholarly. I think it's brilliant work, and helps us understand the structures of power and decision making, beyond just Russia.
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The Age of Surveillance Capitalism: The Fight for a Human Future at the New Frontier of Power by Shoshana Zuboff
I have to pause after paragraphs so frequently, the language is so precise and unfamiliar. I've had to read it in very small chunks to really absorb the meaning. I still recommend it, but it's NOT easy!
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I thought Zuboff is an important book. I agree with her POV in most of her arguments. But the word that comes to mind when describing her style is turgid, rather than precise.
What bothered me most about the book was her lack of understanding of technology underlying the Internet. That weakens some of her reasoning, although not fatally.
@Hippasus500 @reading @bibliolater @bookstodon *googles turgid* oh my gosh, yes! that’s a better word for it!
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I can do feel you. Maybe for sightly different reason
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@realn2s yes, this too!
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I literally can't get through anything without a narrative.
@HipsterDM @bibliolater @reading @bookstodon I am often grateful for narrative nonfiction. Erik Larson is a master at doing this.
@kimlockhartga @HipsterDM @reading @bookstodon I have not read any of his works. Am I correct in assuming he writes mostly #historical #nonfiction #books?
@bibliolater @kimlockhartga @HipsterDM @reading @bookstodon I love his books, I think I've read all of them! The way he writes makes history read like a novel. Mostly historical nonfiction but he does have a couple general nonfictions.
@bibliolater @reading @bookstodon Either Marx's Capital or David Bentley Hart's "The Experience of God," both because you need a fucking machete to chop through the overgrowth of the vocabulary lol
@bibliolater @reading @bookstodon I had to read Niklas Luhmann's Theory of Society for graduate school and it stands out as the most difficult book I've ever read. And it was a class where the rest of my class dropped out for one reason or another by midterms. I finished that class by myself. 😭😅
@bibliolater @reading @bookstodon Some 20th century philosophers, even of the rigorously analytical kind of persuasion and even when brilliant minds and making good sense in the end, were less than brilliant pedagogically. I read Whitehead’s short “Concept of Nature” recentishly, and it was tough going. (I am a philosopher at Gothenburg university.) I found it rewarding, but you need an interest in the stuff for it to be worth the trouble.
@bibliolater @reading @bookstodon If you’re into speech act theory, you should definitely search out the very obscure 1979 book “Intention and Communication” by Thomas Wetterström. It’s almost unknown and almost unreadable. But it is also full of concepts and distinctions perfectly essential to speech act theory that you won’t find anywhere else (except for in Wetterström’s other, even more obscure works in Swedish!).
@strutsulf @reading @bookstodon Thank you for the recommendation. If I ever finish my current #TBR #list I will try to have a look.
@bibliolater @reading @bookstodon All in all, though, I guess the most difficult-to-understand things I read are student assignnments.
@strutsulf @reading @bookstodon I don't know if that is a good thing or a bad thing?
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A Brief History of Time by Stephen Hawking. It was a surprising bestseller for the time (1988) but I doubt many people finished it. I fell off the horse at about page 30, and at the same point over a decade later. There will be no third attempt.
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T.M. Scanlon’s “What We Owe To Each Other”.
It is closely reasoned and deliberative. It takes me a long time to internalize his arguments before I can go on to the next section.
Plus the font is small, and my eyes are not what they once were. <wink>
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