Wish this was a castle law state... But I'm expected to like crawl out a window or something here if someone breaks into my house while I'm home.
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@Shiroyasha the fucking idea that i should care about someone breaking into my home is so mind boggling bullshitty.

a few years ago there was a case here in germany where a gang of 5 youths broke into the house of an ~80 year old man and robbed him. he killed one with his pistol while they were fleeing. there was a trial about this and he was sentenced to 9 months jail, suspended on probation. the reasoning was that "he should have fired a warning shot!1" and "he should have aimed for the legs!11".

really, complete insanity.

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Its honestly humiliating to have to abide by such stupid laws and coddle criminals. We used to publicly hang everything from murders to petty thiefs and now look at where we are.
@DerSauerkraut @bonifartius @Shiroyasha Society has completely neutered the criminal justice system. We have hidden all punishment for crimes behind an opaque veil, and behind the veil we attempt to make the dregs of society as comfortable as possible. Is it any wonder that without a proper deterrent, deviant behaviors flourish?
@Volkswagon @Shiroyasha @bonifartius No wonder at all. Even worse its been subverted to punish law abiding people and further facilitate criminals. New York City has effectively set the last nail in its coffin allowing repeat offenders to still vote, as they went and past $0 bail. Cops get to arrest people, book them in, and then just let them go on the promise they'll show up for their court date.

@DerSauerkraut i'm not for hanging everyone for petty crime, but saying this old man is guilty of manslaughter is just so against the sense of justice of the populace it's insane. the whole judicial system is utterly crazy and constructed in ivory towers. i know it's broken everywhere, but i think the jury system in common law is a good idea. at least you'd have some normal people there who can decide _against_ the law (jury nullification) if the law is unjust.

@Shiroyasha

@bonifartius @Shiroyasha Just recalling the standard of behavior we once set for ourselves. Not all thefts were hangings but repeat offenders weren't tolerated. Common law would be nice but globohomo wants to much power and control.

@DerSauerkraut yes, we won't see common law here, the same as we won't have direct democracy. both can't be steered well enough.

i guess my main point regarding the old man in self-defence is that it's batshit crazy to regard him as accountable as the state would be. i think those judges and prosecutors would've done _exactly_ the same in his situation.

@Shiroyasha

@bonifartius @Shiroyasha > the reasoning was that "he should have fired a warning shot!1" and "he should have aimed for the legs!11"

sheltered idiots with no firearm or combat experience, every fucking time

@velartrill well, it's germany 🤷‍♀️ i'm quite happy that i don't have to expect to be shot in the streets. i don't think this is due to firearm restrictions, though. the swiss have rifles at home and they don't kill each other all the time.

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