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There are people with anxiety and trust issues, what do you think a trust rating system will do to these people? Do you not think that it could worsen and feed their fears? Do you really want to make them question all their interactions when they do this a lot, really justify their trust fears? In a space that is supposed to be a space for them to unwind and have some fun? Then, not only do they have to think about whether they can trust others... but they will see if other people or an AI trusts them? What do you think that will do to their psyche? Do you think they will get better this way?
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@sim eunomia is a fucking EU funded project. they _want_ people to be anxious and trusting no one. no better way to have more control.
i mean look at this: eunomia.social/partners
"International experts in human-as-a-sensor and deep learning technologies", "A global leading university in blockchain technologies", "An interdisciplinary consulting and technology development SME comprised of social scientists, ethical and legal experts, and data scientists.", "With an interdisciplinary team focusing on behavioral aspects of social media", "A leading RTO in cybersecurity and P2P networks".
on the surface it looks like the usual complete bullshit (blockchain etc.), but if you read it twice it has a dystopic quality to it.

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@bonifartius Very sad to see this. It's scary how they have brought social engineering to the fediverse. I doubt they care about the vulnerable users of the fediverse or other platforms.
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@sim i think fediverse is the least toxic place i know, every attempt at voting or stuff like that is likely to have negative impact. "downvotes" are especially harmul because people just have to hit the dislike button instead of engaging in conversations. you can really see this everywhere downvotes exist. combined with an AI it seems like recipe for disaster.

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@sim i don't think they thought about vulnerable people at all. their page says that the mission is to fight fake news, whatever that might be. there is no objective truth. better go full gonzo journalism. fedi might even be regarded as a big gonzo journalism platform.
i guess this view of the reality just isn't compatible with 99% of the people. iirc on gnujihad there was the observation that normies just can't handle the uncertainty of fediverse etc., i think this is correct.

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@bonifartius Yeah, 'misinformation' as they've called it. Although I don't know how you can decide that. A rating system is more of a popularity contest to see who trusts a post more or can game the system, if only a few people can vote then you are relying on top-down authority and raise voting people a class above others. If you rely on the government or 'official sources', then you have a similar problem. It's an appeal to authority and that doesn't make it inherently more trustworthy. Especially when you consider lobbying. It becomes who has been able to pay them off the most? History has taught us this. Even taught us that things we take for granted now were debatable and controversial for their times even if they were true.

What can't normies handle with the uncertainty of the fediverse?
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@sim yes!

> What can't normies handle with the uncertainty of the fediverse?

e.g. that people in the fringe internet (fedi, 4chan, etc.) can switch from dark humor to dead serious discussion and back in the blink of an eye and that the boundaries between the two are often blurry.
look at which comedians have success: it's those with non edgy jokes everyone can get and who don't really question status quo.

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@bonifartius I'd be weary about attributing that to normies. Successful comedians are less about normies and more about the status quo which are a minority, but probably the ones with a lot of wealth who can afford to go to stand-ups and other entertainments regularly. It's just gatekeeping from a minority of people when you think about it.
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:gnu: bonifartius 𒂼𒄄

@sim yeah, i can't generalize that to be solely about normies. it was just the first thing which came to my mind :)

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@bonifartius No problem. I wouldn't call that a normie problem, they will just browse whatever is on offer to them. How much is their fault when the industries themselves have dumbed everything down and attract certain types of people to them? When the industries gatekeep and lessen the options there are? When they kill the creativity that is supposed to be there?
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