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The shift to electric vehicles is exciting, but it will leave us with thousands of tonnes of spent batteries.

Maybe exciting for Greta and other kids. For anyone with slightly technical knowledge or experience it is obvious. Which on the other side means most of the "eco alarmists" have no slight idea about anything, especially ecology

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@iron_bug it's always the same for all modern problems: costs get externalized.

old batteries will get shipped to africa, while other parts of the world are strip-mined for lithium. the problem will of course come back to us, sooner or later.

every time i talk about fuel cells being a good alternative, someone comes out of the wood works and tells me that we don't have enough catalysts (platinum) for the fuel cells. while it is _exactly_ the same problem for lithium. sure, it's a common element, but it isn't easily extracted.

the same for every other technology like the stuff described here: dotyenergy.com/PDFs/Doty-90366
always someone telling me it doesn't work because of dubious reasons and that batteries are the only way.

with such processes we could even keep the combustion engines around, meaning less waste.

alas! i fear that reason has no place in this world anymore.

@bonifartius I think the problem of landfills that poison land and water all around is very acute, and until people invent some recyclable sources of energy without toxic wastes it will persist.

@iron_bug yes, i think it's much more dangerous than climate change. the problem is that waste just gets shipped to where nobody cares. which is very short sighted because even if it's far away, ecosystems don't care for that. i think we will have much bigger problems than global warming. combined it will get very ugly everywhere, sooner or later.

@bonifartius we live on one planet and it's not that big to pollute some territories without consequences for the others.
we share common air and water everywhere.
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