@bonifartius But what the conspiracy theorists were right is that the states were lying about many aspects of the COVID. But that's no surprise tbh

@bonifartius OK, maybe not aspects of the COVID, but about many aspects of the restrictions.

@naruciakk
> I mean, you can't say that, because what we call a booster might just mean that the COVID vaccines are 3-dose instead of 2, this is a case for some vaccines for different diseases, so, y'know :P

well, in israel they are at booster 4 and counting ;) afaik this is why there never was a vaccine against common cold viruses, they never created a long immunity.

> I mean, let's be honest, just some states/countries require apps, many more require… well, nothing, some of them require any proof of vaccination. It is still annoying as fuck though.

and i wonder if it really helps anything to control vaccination status or if it just is meant as incentive to get vaccinated. which feels wrong, imho.

@bonifartius >well, in israel they are at booster 4 and counting ;)
No, they are not. They are preparing resources if that was needed. Don't mess with the facts please :P

>afaik this is why there never was a vaccine against common cold viruses, they never created a long immunity

No, it's because the cold viruses (there are many types BTW) are constantly changing, evolving. But the point of mass COVID vaccination is first and foremost to just reduce the problems that this virus creates with healthcare etc. to the level at least manageable or to the same level as the common cold creates.

>and i wonder if it really helps anything to control vaccination status or if it just is meant as incentive to get vaccinated

If I had to make a guess, it's probably the second one. And from my selfish need, a regular vaccine mandate would be better, as I won't be touched by it (it doesn't mean that I think you should be forced to vaccinate, but it would just make things easier for me, because I am vaccinated (and I will be – the booster's next week))

@naruciakk
> No, they are not. They are preparing resources if that was needed. Don't mess with the facts please :P

sure, might have got that wrong.

> No, it's because the cold viruses (there are many types BTW) are constantly changing, evolving.

i think i read an article years ago that somehow they are especially problematic wrt waning immunity. it sure doesn't help that there are so many :)

> But the point of mass COVID vaccination is first and foremost to just reduce the problems that this virus creates with healthcare etc. to the level at least manageable or to the same level as the common cold creates.

i naively assumed that the correct response would've been to increase the capacity of the healthcare system by improving the working conditions ;)

> If I had to make a guess, it's probably the second one. And from my selfish need, a regular vaccine mandate would be better, as I won't be touched by it (it doesn't mean that I think you should be forced to vaccinate, but it would just make things easier for me, because I am vaccinated (and I will be – the booster's next week))

well, i'm not because the vector/mrna vaccines are a too new technology for my taste. so i just stay at home and go shopping every other week and do the other common things then. i'm happy the the max planck institute did the study about how masks are effective. why e.g. the sinovac vaccine isn't approved by EMA even if it's approved by WHO as "good", has been around for a long time and is probably used more than the western vaccines is also a bit beyond me. that would easily boost vaccination rates. i'd probably take it too, because i'm not anti-vaccines.. if there's a mandate i'd skip out on it just out of spite though. it's just something i can't support from an ethical point.