partner & i have been considering getting the novavax shot (nuvoxavid) when it's available here if it looks like a mandate will pass, since it's actually a vaccine and doesn't appear to be particularly dangerous so far

has anyone heard any reports/info/rumors about nuvoxavid & health effects? so far it mostly seems to be the MRNA shots killing and maiming people, i haven't heard of sputnik or the sinopharm shot causing anything worse than a mild fever, and nuvoxavid uses more traditional methods than either of those, so i'd assume it would if anything be more predictable.

that said, none of the covid vaccines (or pseudovaccines) meet the medical standards for vaccine safety, and won't be able to for years because it takes longitudinal studies to do that, and even tradvax tech can produce really horrifying and dangerous results if it's not used and tested carefully

(to be clear, we wouldn't be getting it as "protection" from the rona, obviously nothing on the market is going to achieve that now, and mass vaccination has historically never been anything but a political strategy -- i just want us to be able to avoid the idiotic and/or corrupt restrictions the german government is throwing at us accursed ungeimpfte, especially since i'm worried about deportation which would be an effective death sentence for me)
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@velartrill fwiw, i'm not sure you can be deported since you are married to a native (given they don't pull ultra fascist stuff).

i can perfectly understand your reasons though.

i don't have heard anything particularly concerning about novavax. i guess it might slightly increase your chances of getting omicron variant as we see for the current double-mrna-"vaccinated".

i think i'm not going to get any vaccine, i will ride this shit out as long as i can, for those who can't. they really shoved me over the corner into total opposition this time. i will not be forced to inject stuff into my body by rainbow fascists.

@bonifartius i can be deported, they changed the law so it's completely up to immigration's discretion :/ all the law says now is that they have to "weigh the subject's interest in remaining in the country against the state's interest in deporting them" (e.g. due to committing crimes), listing marriage as a factor on par with residency in the subject's favor -- but it doesn't give any explicit weighting formulas or lay out a process or anything, so it's pretty clearly legally meaningless and immigration can do whatever the hell they want as long as their attorney says "yes mr judge we did in fact weigh the competing interests"

> i guess it might slightly increase your chances of getting omicron variant as we see for the current double-mrna-"vaccinated".

tbh i don't really even give a shit about the coof anymore, least of all omicron. all i'm really concerned about immunizing us against is the law (deportation and getting kicked off trains, mainly; if all we had to worry about was a fine i'd just shrug and pay it)

> i think i'm not going to get any vaccine, i will ride this shit out as long as i can, for those who can't. they really shoved me over the corner into total opposition this time. i will not be forced to inject stuff into my body by rainbow fascists.

damn straight. good luck and more power to you <3
@bonifartius my partner did mention that deporting me *might* be unconstitutional and we could fight it out in the courts on the grounds of their right to family integrity, but given how european legal systems seem to treat constitutional law as a polite suggestion at most and ignore it whenever it's inconvenient, i honestly don't think we'd have a snowball's chance in hell (at least with me being a basic bitch white american mostly-gentile instead of a legless black lesbian muslim from jihadistan), and that's a maneuver kind of on par with trying to claim citizenship through my (adoptive) descent from a diaspora german lol

@velartrill fair enough, i'd not trust the "law" either. you are probably not minority enough, as you have pointedly described.

i wonder when they changed the law, because the uniting of families always is the reason to open the german borders for anyone who wants to come.. that's why we have to many young males here (which most likely survive on the way, by whatever means), once someone is here, the extended family can come too.

i'm not sure about the citizenship stuff, it should've gotten easier, but i'm not that well informed about it :)

@bonifartius i think there's a difference between "family reunification" visas (i didn't need a visa in the first place, the one remaining upside to being a euroid lol) and applying for residency once you're already in the country. my understanding is that the majority of immigrants get in on some kind of visa, usually FR, and then use either "refugee" residency status or administrative trickery (like the "tolerated presence" scheme -- "you can't legally be here but we also can't legally deport you because it totally sucks where you came from rn so whatever i guess please just stay out of the news") or just ignore the law entirely in order to stay, and as long as they don't do anything particularly heinous they don't have to worry too much about being deported because it's not politically correct.

i *might* be able to skate by without a legal residency on the strength of my marriage and not being a financial burden to the state (not that i want to try it, ever), but as soon as i become some kind of registered koronakriminal that goes out the window, because it's hard to imagine anyone more politically correct to deport than some white american querdenker(in?)

iirc the main thing that's changing with citizenship is the new management has been promising to legalize dual citizenship for everyone (instead of it being the standard kind of racial privilege), which would have meant something to me a few years ago but now i'm not sure i even want to keep my american citizenship (and that's assuming i don't wind up randomly stateless at some point in the next three years anyway, which is just seeming increasingly likely…)

i just hope they manage to kill the heart damage injection mandate so i can stop worrying so much. can't believe i'm rooting for the greens & the fdp but here we are

@velartrill > i think there's a difference between "family reunification" visas (i didn't need a visa in the first place, the one remaining upside to being a euroid lol) and applying for residency once you're already in the country. my understanding is that the majority of immigrants get in on some kind of visa, usually FR, and then use either "refugee" residency status or administrative trickery (like the "tolerated presence" scheme -- "you can't legally be here but we also can't legally deport you because it totally sucks where you came from rn so whatever i guess please just stay out of the news") or just ignore the law entirely in order to stay, and as long as they don't do anything particularly heinous they don't have to worry too much about being deported because it's not politically correct.

this sounds exactly like the fine-print i'm not very educated about :)

> but as soon as i become some kind of registered koronakriminal that goes out the window, because it's hard to imagine anyone more politically correct to deport than some white american querdenker(in?)

as ugly as it is, you are probably right. some bureaucrat would probably get an extra rainbow smily sticker for that ;) (yes the -in ending denotes a female querdenker)

> iirc the main thing that's changing with citizenship is the new management has been promising to legalize dual citizenship for everyone (instead of it being the standard kind of racial privilege), which would have meant something to me a few years ago but now i'm not sure i even want to keep my american citizenship (and that's assuming i don't wind up randomly stateless at some point in the next three years anyway, which is just seeming increasingly likely…)

i'd say it can never hurt to have one extra citizenship. i have a slight hope that the tide will turn in the states (it will turn faster than in europe imho). besides, as ugly as things are there, at least you can have guns without jumping through hoops in the US ;)

> i just hope they manage to kill the heart damage injection mandate so i can stop worrying so much. can't believe i'm rooting for the greens & the fdp but here we are

that would of course be the easiest way. i don't think that a mandate will hold at the constitutional court. the strategy clearly is to just make the law and force the hand of people, regardless if it will be declared unconstitutional afterwards. even the legality of the measles-vaccination-mandate for children isn't decided upon finally. it's still used to force the vaccination though.

@bonifartius > i have a slight hope that the tide will turn in the states (it will turn faster than in europe imho).

i no longer believe there is any chance of this whatsoever, i just don't see a mechanism by which it could happen even in theory. americans as a group are no longer defined by anything but the territory they very unhappily share with each other and a boatload of common psychopathologies. there's nothing to build on, no sense of common purpose, no solidarity, no compassion, no vision for anything better than what they've got, and increasingly no hope. life and work have been replaces by survival and hustle.

i'm not sure if it's really possible to understand how broken america is if you haven't grown up there yourself, but i did and i always struggle to even try to describe it without falling back on religious rhetoric. at this point it's just a "country" of deeply disturbed schizophrenic sociopaths who've been tormented by ten thousand devils their entire lives and whose primary emotions are fear, hatred, and uncontrollable lust (for both sexual gratification and Product, insofar as they can still perceive the difference). i don't think anything good can come out of there, leastways not until the fire has burned out and the fuel is all used up. that will certainly take at least a century, probably much longer.

and even if they could recover economically and socially, the country's infrastructure is all built so that it basically cannot function without vast amounts of oil. if the consoom juice stops flowing, mass graves will result within weeks. rebuilding it all to prevent this would easily have a pricetag in the trillions and would be politically impossible at least until the death toll reaches the millions, probably even then

america is just so fractally fucked, i seriously could write pages and pages of this and still feel like i hadn't even scratched the surface. even afghanistan has a brighter future at this point.

> as ugly as things are there, at least you can have guns without jumping through hoops in the US

very true, but the thing about germany is, so far, i don't *need* to own firearms to be able to survive 🙃

> i don't think that a mandate will hold at the constitutional court

fingers crossed. then again, didn't they pass that Enabling Act 2.0 Infektionsschutzgesetz that basically said "fuck the constitution we do what we want, bc korona" and that was allowed to stand?
@velartrill @bonifartius scotus killed the latest attempt at the mandate (the one trying to backdoor OSHA) but they didn't kill the drivers of the motion so expect it to come back in some way or another.

most of this has been good ole traditional eco-fascism though (outsourcing policy to "private" institutions, when it's very plainly a government policy being positioned in a way to make it not be adjudicatable.)
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