Hmmm yes that is a problem, if only there were something else that created milk, something perhaps attached to you that naturally produced the required nutrients for a newborn baby, something right around umm *begins gesturing towards chest* oh who am I kidding that's a conspiracy theory right?
@Shadowman311 In defense, not all mothers produce enough milk to keep a baby fed. Sometimes you have to supplement. Still no excuse to kill a kid

@Epiphany @Shadowman311 I agree. A rational and sensible pro-natal policy would include funding solutions to the formula shortage and subsidizing wet nurses but we’re not allowed to live in a sensible or rational country

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@borzoi @Epiphany @Shadowman311 the women who don't produce enough milk are _really_ rare. a somewhat healthy newborn has enough reserves to accomodate initial lack of milk, but todays standard is to just give up if the milk doesn't flow in biblical amounts on the first try. instantly giving up of course is exactly the wrong thing to do. many nurses (misguidedly, i don't think nurses are evil) push formula then.

for the few remaining cases formula naturally is right, like with any medication.

also things like nursing consultants (don't know the right term) should be standard, but those don't generate much money.

@borzoi @Epiphany @Shadowman311 i think it's often due to all the FUD about it. there are some groups to help women with breastfeeding issues (a simple position change can be all that is required..), but the formula companies are pushing their stuff hard. volunteers can't go against that :/

@borzoi @bonifartius @Epiphany @Shadowman311 Was this an attempt to entrap a childless person or was it asked in earnest
@borzoi @bonifartius @Shadowman311 I was one of those rare one who didn't produce enough. It was probably two bottles a day in formula.

@Epiphany
like i've written somewhere in this thread, that's what formula was invented for :)
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@bonifartius @borzoi @Epiphany @Shadowman311 We were one of those, fed the kid frequently and pumped while he was sleeping and still needed to supplement with some formula. Ordered the European stuff, it's far superior to American formulas.

@GLObalMARinePR
thats exactly what formula was invented for! i'm just angry that to many parents get pushed into exclusively feeding formula without necessity :/
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@bonifartius @borzoi @Epiphany @Shadowman311 They tried to push formula on us at the hospital, despite our clearly indicated breast feeding preference on all the paperwork. I had to be aggressive dad when my son wasn't even an hour old.

@GLObalMARinePR yeah, we had some starting problems "on the baby side" and some of the staff were quick to suggest formula too. took some determination :) @borzoi @Epiphany @Shadowman311

@bonifartius @borzoi @Epiphany @Shadowman311 Ours had a bit of a sore neck that made latching hard for him, found a woman who did infant massage and he was fine immediately after his first session.

@GLObalMARinePR we did osteopathy because of the baby wanting to look only in one direction, it did work really well. really a shame that osteopathy is often labeled as bullshit. @borzoi @Epiphany @Shadowman311

@bonifartius @borzoi @Epiphany @Shadowman311 Lactation consultants are wonderful should always be utilized prior to formula. They can address latching issues and advise on tongue ties which can cause feeding issues. From what I've heard the actual supply issues are generally uncommon but exacerbated by supplementing formula and not extra pumping.

They’re called lactation consultants, we’ve got our first kid on the way and we’re concerned since all of my wife’s family members had trouble nursing.

but todays standard is to just give up if the milk doesn’t flow in biblical amounts on the first try

That’s probably true, but I know of several women who really struggled (see: wife’s family), including some who hired consultants. It seems entirely possible the profession has quacks like any other though.

@ademan maybe take a look at llli.org if they are somewhere around where you are. i think they do consulting for free (don't take my word for it though ;)
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