@dave
if the agenda is to push for kids "transitioning" (which it is from my pov) and then there is talk about how great of a pleasure objectification is, i see that as big fat warning sign.

either the "trans community" cleans the house from the psychos, or they don't. it's what is generally expected from a "cis male" now: to berate and cancel other males if they don't act properly or make the wrong joke. i fucking hate these double standards.

i'm sympathetic to the 0.01% who really have "the wrong body". even if i think it's more wise to accept the shortcomings of your own body instead of cutting on perfectly fine organs. everyone has a shit body, sooner or later. i'm not in their shoes though, what they do is of course their choic.

the normalization of what clearly seems to be other mental health issues is evil shit. "fuck yeah, let me be objectified!11". ffs.

Transing kids is part of the agenda, but mainly it’s about themselves. The people in this image are all probably autogynephiles, or men romantically/sexually interested in the thought of themselves as women.

@dave @bonifartius What's the problem with letting someone live their fetish though, if it's not hurting anyone?
Maybe they are hurting people, or maybe not, but you seem to be implying that their 'fetish' is somehow inherently evil.

I think you're missing that these are the people arguing that they need to be allowed in women's locker rooms, women's prisons, and women's sports, or they might kill themselves.

@dave @bonifartius Those are incidental to the transgenderism itself. I.e. one can be trans and not do any of those things.

If so many of them weren’t advocating that they should be able to do all of those things, you wouldn’t have left-leaning people like myself taking issue with it.

What they do in their own bedroom is their business. When they take it out of the bedroom, and start demanding the general public participates, we all get to decide what we think of that demand.

@dave @bonifartius You completely missed the point. “So many” =/= “all”. And if it’s not all then it’s not about the transgenderism itself but the culture associated with it.

I'm going to ask you to read your original post, think about what has been said in this thread, and ask yourself who is really missing the point here.

@dave @bonifartius I'm not talking about the OP. I'm talking about your "let them live their fetish unchecked" comment (ooh scary!).

And your concern about the ambiguity of my language has already been addressed. Hence why I take issue with the suggestion that I'm the one missing the point.

@dave @bonifartius "Ambiguity of my language" What? I wasn't concerned about that. I was concerned about your idea that we shouldn't leave people the hell alone to live their life the way they please so long as they don't hurt others. And not all trans people hurt others. Saying they do and that they should be legislated and interfered with because of it is like claiming that gays are disgusting child molesters (redundant) who need to be castrated.
If you're so "left-leaning", you should know that.

> I was concerned about your idea that we shouldn't leave people the hell alone to live their life the way they please so long as they don't hurt others

> *your* idea

I think you must be sperging out a bit right now and not thinking rationally. Think carefully about this question: whose idea was it that I was suggesting we should be interfering in the lives of people that aren't hurting anyone?

They need to be allowed in womens locker rooms,womens prison's and womens sports yet none of them have enough enough creases in their grey matter to give us a straight answer on *what* a woman is. Really gets the ol' noggin joggin