bonifartius 𒂼𒄄
@DotardTed
it's just a totally dumb game to play for the EU. russia has giant leverage short term (damn cold winter), the US wants to sell us expensive liquefied gas since a decade. both of course care jack shit about ukraine or europe.
only winning move for the EU would've been not to play. by doing those sanctions the EU decided to cripple itself so much that it will not be of any relevance in the future.
Disagree. Our best move is to drill here in the US. Pump our own oil and process it.
@DotardTed
> There was no "winning move" for either the EU or the US. We missed that opportunity in 2014 when he was more vulnerable.
well.. the US can sell the gas to europe now, which is what they always wanted. i guess that's a win for the US :)
> Placate Putin, Finland or a NATO partner would likely be next. Right now, helping Ukraine is our best move. But it will be an ugly winter.
thing is that after this winter with people freezing to death and industry in shambles the EU will be completely irrelevant anyway for decades. putin could probably just march though to the atlantic, speaking with a bit of hyperbole.
@bonifartius
Trump was only the latest President who warned them about the danger of putting all of their eggs in Russia's basket. It is also no coincidence that former German Chancellor Gerhard Schröder went to work for Gazprom!
There was no "winning move" for either the EU or the US. We missed that opportunity in 2014 when he was more vulnerable.
Placate Putin, Finland or a NATO partner would likely be next. Right now, helping Ukraine is our best move. But it will be an ugly winter.