meta, on bad space and blocklists 

well, seeing that bad space is yet again in the meta, i'm taking the opportunity to yeet my 2cents about blocklists into the mix.

i'm not generally opposed of the use of blocklists, but a blocklost has to provide several things to make it worth consodering. those things are
- clear reasons that can be verified. calling an instancce "edgelord" or other labels without further explanation doesnt mean anything
- provide evidence: blocklists have to provide evidence, not just for the affected instances to double check and use it in their moderation process, but also for the consumer of the list to have some way of verifying, if the entry is valid or not. there has yet to be a list to emerge that does this properly. without evidence, a list owner can claim everything about any instance.
- report bad actors: instance moderation is hard, especially if your instance has a lot going on. we cant be everywhere at once and are relying on reports and stuff to identify bad actors and act accordingly
- a process that allows admins/mods to refute an entry. false positives are unavoidable so there needs to be a process in place to be able to refute an entry in the list.
- a list shouldnt be managed by one person alone but by a team, preferably with different motivations and different backgrounds. there should never be a point where one person alone can decide what goes on the list and what not.

no fedi blocklist active now has yet matched any of those requirements. the bad spaces fails almost all of these points. the reasoning is at times downright silly and even being platently wrong. it doesnt provide any evidence at all which makes it imposible to verify the claims made. they dont report or get in contact with mods to inform them about anything going on that needs to be taken a look into. there is no refutation process, at least nothing clearly visible on the page. i dont know if the list is run by one person or not but it seems like there is no mechanism in play to prevent abuse of power.

tldr: if you want to make a blocklist, do it properly

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meta, on bad space and blocklists 

@puniko i think that was roughly the idea behind UoFI - plus guaranteed federation if you act according to the rules - still people managed to create drama out of _that_.

most people love single persons in power, most people love others deciding for them. the npc meme wasn't created without a reason :)

re: meta, on bad space and blocklists 

@bonifartius @puniko i haven’t heard of ufoi in quite a while, did it catch on?

re: meta, on bad space and blocklists 

@xarvos

Instance block lists are for Authoritarian-aspiring micro-popes.

Give them enough time, they will ban everyone but themselves, and in parallel ban user accounts on their instance. Definition of echo chamber.

@puniko @bonifartius

re: meta, on bad space and blocklists 

@niclas that’s impertinent to my post

re: meta, on bad space and blocklists 

@xarvos @puniko no, i don't think so. it would have been a nice change because it wasn't a system based on negative action "we will block you!" but positive "we will not block each other because everyone tries to uphold some very basic rules as good as possible". it was working together, not against.

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