bonifartius 𒂼𒄄 @bonifartius@social.cleverlibre.org

@xyfdi@gameliberty.club
> despite the source strain being close to two years old by now

it's usually the whole virus, so more for your immune system to learn from. might be better in face of mutations (just my guess).

@freemo @swiley @GodfreyHendrix

@trinsec no, just pointing out that it might actually be done by agencies and that making jokes about it to tease conspiracy theorists is.. misguided? :)

context: we have federal votes next weekend here in germany.

just read twitter (yes, i should know better ;) with someone joking about that if you lick the envelopes for your postal vote the government has your DNA.

with all the shit governments pull all the fucking time.. $agency might just collect the strips for later use, doesn't need much storage. got a district with much lefties? righties? anyone you dislike?

i think voting by mail should be the rare exemption, not standard procedure. this should be a no-brainer, never trust anyone _too much_ if it comes to votes. it's a valuable tool for people who are not able to physically go to the vote.

i really sometimes wish that the people who still make jokes about mass surveillance get exactly the world they joke about :|

@mactonite seems someone has struck a nerve xD

remember kids, don't take poppers ideas out of context.

@freemo
i'm in the EU :) we also don't have sinovac here, but i think i've read something about that it'll be available eventually.
@swiley @GodfreyHendrix

@thor i have the problem with german songs.. nearly all are cringe, even if english lyrics are most often very very dumb. i think it's just what one is accustomed to.

@niplav

@freemo
i know wikipedia isn't a perfect source, but it's of a different opinion https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viral_vector_vaccine (no quote, i'm on mobile and something acts up..)

@swiley @GodfreyHendrix

@freemo afaik j&j and astra zeneca are viral vector vaccines which do the same as the mRNA vaccines, only that they use a modified virus as transporter instead of lipids
@swiley @GodfreyHendrix

@swiley
yup.

get me a classic vaccine and we can talk. china has it, they vaccinated a billion people with it. it's not impossible.

politicians very well know that around 50% of the unvaccinated are critical of mRNA and not of vaccines in general, why don't they just get them the vaccines they want if they want herd immunity?

i'm pretty sure china, cuba, etc. wouldn't say no to that. instead society is pushed to it's breaking point. maybe the west fears that the communist vaccines are more effective and don't require booster shots every few months. can't make money this way ;)

@freemo @GodfreyHendrix

@swiley
that's the anecdote kind of thing i mean. i also know no one who died from covid. those who had it, had problems for some months though.

i too know people who had problems with the vaccination, with some it's clear, with others.. there is just no hard data. it's a bit unsettling though that they all developed strange health problems after the vaccination. problems with their bowels, increased reactions to insect bites, etc. but i have no data to point at. could all be coincidence, too. it's a problem that doctors are humans too, and if they believe enough in the vaccines, things will get under-reported, the same as things getting overreported.

it's just not a perfect world. i'd really wish that everyone could just do as he wishes without the whole "you killed granny by breeding variants" stuff. the variants that make problems are from before the vaccination rollout. even if we all get vaccinated, animals are reservoirs who also breed variants.

IMHO, if one believes it's right to get the current mRNA vaccines that's fine, but if one doesn't want to get them it's fine too. the only thing really proven to effectively reduce spread is to reduce contacts.

@freemo @GodfreyHendrix

rki goes max cringe 🤦‍♀️

@m0urs

ich habe ehrlichgesagt auch nicht damit gerechnet, dass wir hier _so_ schnellen demokratieverfall haben. das waren ja maximal ein paar jahre.

das beste was mir einfällt ist zivile (nicht militante, bevor hier jemand dumme ideen bekommt..) strukturen aufzubauen die nicht vom staat oder großkonzernen abhängen. was z.B. fehlt ist ein datennetz unabhängig vom aktuellen internet.

@krummelaake

@m0urs und sowas ist auch keine alternative:
https://www.dw.com/en/climate-strike-in-the-words-of-a-hunger-striker/a-59211086
schert nämlich auch niemanden und ruiniert nur die eigene gesundheit. kann man natürlich machen wenn man jesus spielen will, umkommen wird dabei in deutschland niemand.

@krummelaake

@m0urs im grunde genommen aussitzen. vielleicht eigene strukturen schaffen, z.b. solidaritätsfonds für leute die jetzt in quarantäne keine lohnfortzahlung bekommen. wird aber wahrscheinlich dann so hingedreht, dass das das bildung einer terrororganisation ist.
@krummelaake

@m0urs wenn ich das wüsste, hätte ich bessere laune ;) @krummelaake

@m0urs ich glaube das kind ist schon im brunnen.

demonstrieren is raus. da werden die videodaten einfach mit den bilddaten des biometrie persos abgeglichen (dass dies nicht dürfen hat noch keinen abgehalten, kennzeichen werden ja auch inzwischen liberal abgeglichen) und dann gibts anzeigen mit irgendwelchen gummiparagraphen (seit jahren praxis). vermummen geht nicht weil der staat ja nie böses tun würde.

wahlen sind wahl zwischen pest, cholera, thyphus, etc.

medien berichten bis auf ausnahmen auch das gleiche weil nur noch meldungen großer agenturen unkommentiert übernommen werden. alles kaputtgespart.

@krummelaake

@krummelaake innere emigration @m0urs