bonifartius 𒂼𒄄 @bonifartius@social.cleverlibre.org

@freemo
because i wanted to point out that there probably is under reporting of problems. we could as well strike it from this conversation, it doesn't touch on my other points i guess.

i'm just getting a bit "agitated" as mandates are only a question of time here in germany. i don't want those things in my body. it really rocks the perception i had about my country and it's society that i can then choose between injecting something i don't want/trust or getting bankrupt by fines.

@markusl @iron_bug @zleap @Nobody@freeatlantis.com

@freemo
i'm just not sure how well this is done in practice. here in germany it's said that a report takes around 30 minutes to fill out. that's 30 unpaid minutes. doctors will think thrice if they do the report, either in their spare time or in the time where they could treat another patient, helping someone else _and_ making money.

it's just an imperfect system.

that we can't know any long term problems is by nature of the vaccines being new. saying, with a new technology nonetheless, that there never are long term problems is just bad science. we never rolled out this method to such a big population, and it's radically different from injecting inactive antigens.

it feels like extrapolating from coal power plants to nuclear reactors. never hat a meltdown with coal! ;)

i know that there probably are many things more dangerous for me than the vaccine. i just have a severe dislike of getting pushed into things, and a severe dislike of the wrong simplifications and hype about the new vaccines. might be completely harmless, might not. don't tell me it's safe if one obviously can't say it is as one can't speed up time. other vaccines were years in testing before approved.

@markusl @iron_bug @zleap @Nobody@freeatlantis.com

@freemo
of course, that's why i said it's an anecdote! :)

@markusl @iron_bug @zleap @Nobody@freeatlantis.com

@freemo
the chinese vaccines were ready at around the same time the western vaccines were. i think it's ill advised to just use something because it seems more easy or quick. it's a whole new technology which should be handled accordingly.
have you ever seen a vaccine where it's "ok" that there are things like young people getting heart problems? sure, anaphylaxis always can happen. the things we see now are a whole different class of problems. things get under-reported. i know personally: woman where the fetus stopped growing, thyroid problems (2x), ear ringing & constant bowl problems. all within temporary closeness to the vaccination. sure, those are anecdotes, but none of those got reported to my knowledge so that it could be even considered for being a problem. it's always "not the vaccine", even if that would be for someone else to decide.

it's just not really furthering my trust in the system. the science isn't to blame.

@markusl @iron_bug @zleap @Nobody@freeatlantis.com

@freemo
> Viral vector vaccines use a modified version of one virus as a vector to deliver to a cell a nucleic acid coding for an antigen for another infectious agent

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viral_vector_vaccine

i think you mean subunit vaccines which consist of hull parts.

@markusl @iron_bug @zleap @Nobody@freeatlantis.com

@markusl
no, my intent is not to keep my dna pure.

i know of the dead code in my dna. stop acting like i'm unreasonable. stop pushing the mrna/vector vaccines. stop acting like i'm anti vaccines, i am probably vaccinated against more stuff than most people.

my intent is not getting cancer because something went wrong. there are many viruses suspected of being cancer inducing. only that by co-evolution the immune systems probably can relatively well deal with them, at least if the immune system is working normally.

i won't willingly put something into me which hijacks my cellular automata, like a virus, creating a protein which is suspected of blocking cellular repair mechanisms.

vaccines are for giving my immune system examples of foreign substances. i prefer those to be dead or inactivated, not active virus like substances. even the half-inactivated polio vaccines used in the 3rd world are dangerous, there are routinely outbreaks because they weren't as "inactive" as they were supposed to.

@iron_bug @zleap @freemo @Nobody@freeatlantis.com

@freemo
vector also has the problem of being an active substance and is a quite new technology.

i just want a load of dead whole virus, if i get vaccinated. might even be better wrt mutations than the spike only vaccines as other parts of the hull are learnt by the immune system.

there are the chinese ones with WHO approval which are used in many countries, there is valneva from europe, but both wont get approval until spring next year. while the new technology mrna/vector gets the fast lane.

i have the feeling that people are pushed to get the new technology vaccines. for whatever reason.

@markusl @iron_bug @zleap @Nobody@freeatlantis.com

@iron_bug @matrix i'm happy to give someone a bit of money if i see the software is useful to me, but it never has been something where the "donate" link was the top thing on the page. i often even had to ask for a way to give them money. same goes for other things, if someone begs for money, it's usually shit.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porcine_zona_pellucida this is really fucking perverse if you think about it.

@sj yip, they probably gonna inject them with pzp.

https://americanwildhorsecampaign.org/fertility-control

@matrix my moment: not giving fsfe any money anymore because they tried to cancel stallman.