bonifartius 𒂼𒄄 @bonifartius@social.cleverlibre.org

@frederic@mastodon.bayern krass, das wirkte nach den ganzen erfolgsmeldungen nach dem schema "x millionen dosen heute" echt nach mehr.

@CapitalB poland but a loong time ago.

i think humans are excelling in creating waste ;) here in germany i rarely find a place with no garbage. i can go to the forest and there is plenty, from sweets-wrappers to old plastic sheets of whatever. same goes for fields, just walk around on one after it got ploughed and you'll always find more than you think. it's just not so much that it is obvious to the eye, but plastic waste is nearly everywhere and it's at least as bad in the soil as it is in the oceans (soil just doesn't have cute turtles which are affected by it..).

@Amikke @thor powershell is open sourced afaik (except windows parts). there is a rather good paper about the ideas that went into it.

i think that strings are still the best solution we have for shells. i can solve problems today, using the same tools invented _decades_ ago. if this will be the case for other ideas is questionable, even if they might be more elegant. for shell usage flexibility reigns.

@CapitalB my original thought was more about what will happen here if things go south. i don't think europe will last much longer as it is, either the EU goes full burocracy-and-surveillance-as-government which is shitty because effectively plutocrats will reign, and those care jack shit for the environment if it's in the way of making money. or it breaks into more or less functioning nation states. the problem of the latter is that without the hyperglobalized supply chains many common things will become immensely costly. having good waste processing isn't the top priority if necessities are becoming rare and expensive.
so, while currently things are okish (aside from toxic/radioactive waste), i wouldn't bet that it stays this way. hence imho better sooner than later switch to things which are less problematic in getting rid of.

@swansinflight@mastodon.nz sounds interesting, will read about this sleep phenomenon! i just think it's probably not a sickness if half of the people have it.
it's probably healthy to go by the sun nevertheless! :)

@swansinflight@mastodon.nz my armchair theory is that things like ADHD and people who have a hard time getting up/going to bed at "normal" times is something which was evolutionary selected for and has a function in our "natural" habitats :)
for sleep cycles: it would make sense if roughly half of the population is awake at night because of e.g. predators.
i have no such explanation for ADHD though, only a feeling in my gut ;)

@CapitalB yeah, metals (and glass) are another story, but they are (at least those commonly used in wrapping, eg. iron and aluminium) also less problematic for the environment.
that's where the success story of recycling ends, other processes to really reuse materials are often just too costly. polymers except pet (which is downcycled into fleece..) are often just too dirty.
the only thing which really helps is using materials which are either _really_ biodegradeable or are common-in nature-materials (aluminium is rapidly passivated by oxygen, iron is common, glass is fancy sand..).

if you like old folk music, vintervisor by triakel might be the right thing for you now: https://www.discogs.com/release/768697-Triakel-Vintervisor

also listen to their other records, they are all pretty good :)

@swansinflight@mastodon.nz tbh, reading all the posts of people here about ADHD i'm not sure if

- i have it
- it's really the people who are sick and not society which is just constructed as a soul crushing experience

@CapitalB
didn't know they use wood for this.
i only know that "recycling" is 90% burning. at least better than somewhere in the landscape :)

@cnx ah, i missed that nuance :)
i'd argue that this is in some ways already the case, environmental costs often are externalized to 2nd and 3rd world countries. this especially pisses me of in the case of supposedly "green" technologies, like lithium harvesting for battery electric cars.

@cnx
> it’s unlikely that they will throw garbage into the next forest/river though, that’s simply not how rich nations behave

i sure hope so, but experience shows that these things are the first where costs are cut. iirc even the cleanup from seveso ended up not being properly treated but in the environment (because the mob controlled the garbage disposal business..).

@thor i'm a bit short on time, thus terse.

> even if less elegant in some ways, one benefit of doing it that way is separation. failures don’t propagate easily across processes. that’s one of the reasons people have been pushing microkernels for so long.

the *nix way is curse and blessing. if everything would output tab and newline seperated data it would be fine. reality is that every program has a variation on this which makes parsing output hell at times. E.g. i bet most uses lf ffmpeg don't parse stderr and just check the exit code. the improved error handling is what you get for closer coupling, e.g. using a library.

i think erlang is pretty interesting in this regard, and quite what you describe with the message passing between programs.

@cnx (i'm not known for being an optimist ;)