bonifartius 𒂼𒄄 @bonifartius@social.cleverlibre.org

@FortyTwo people in power can be really happy that nurses have ethics and probably will go to work again.

@hobson https://www.npr.org/2021/03/04/973604904/trumps-deal-to-end-war-in-afghanistan-leaves-biden-with-a-terrible-situation?t=1644690739748

say what you want about trump, but he was better for not starting wars. he actually quit wars.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-chases-off-us-submarine-its-far-east-waters-moscow-says-2022-02-12/

@markusl
the problem is, those aren't simple yes/no questions. unless the goal is a meat grinder like ww1, people dying en masse to hold a few kilometres of frontline in no mans land. that's what happens with exceptional sacrifices demanded of everyone except the rulers.

@niclas that's how it may end ;)
@captainepoch

@markusl
> You might want to read a little about deindividuation. People just like you and me do things in crowds that they'd never do alone.

well, i thought we learned enough about that in school here in germany. turns out we don't by how easily people were riled up to blame everything on the "antivaxx". if you read the comment sections of the newspapers here it's quite frightening how much people jerk off to "round'em up" fantasies. hell, even politicians or other public figues say things like not vaccinated shouldn't be allowed treatment in hospitals. even recently someone of a big industrial company said that people should either take the vaccine or effectively die if they get ill.

so yes, i know enough about deindividuation.

i always said that if i were there in germany 1933, i'd probably just go along. that's how things work. i'm sure all the people claiming to be antifa now would love a movement like national socialism. most love having well defined enemies and learned nothing from history.

the current protests went big the moment people were forced to do completely irrational things _to themselves_. nearly no one complained about wearing a mask for shopping. protests against forcing people to get injections (or get their lives fucked) are everything but fascism. there might be different motivations for each one, but they are united in limits of fuckery by the government they wont tolerate. they aren't impervious to influence, the influence of having done nothing wrong save for not having answered "how high?".

this isn't about the vaccines anymore, this is about how much does everyone want his life to be controlled by some big cheese who got there by being the biggst asshole (that's how politics work).

so, saying that the protests are just because of some psyop (by whom exactly? russia?) is saying that people are dumb and should shut up because they _might_ be manipulated. which is effectively equal to democracy is done.

@markusl
either _you_ decide to do something or you don't. that, or democracy and freedom of the individum is bullshit. even if someone is "swept up", the decision is individual. one decides to go along with riots in paris, but the motive is different for each.
the only ones for whom this isn't the case is small children and severely mentally handicapped, that's why they are they treated the way they are. acting like if the protestors are equally unable to make decisions is a disservice to freedom and democracy imho.

@captainepoch
> Why does anyone protesting nowadays towards the current governments have to be a nazi? Couldn't just be people fed up of the current politics in the world?

being fed up isn't allowed. not with "you will do everything we say, and you will be happy" as over-arching agenda.