bonifartius 𒂼𒄄 @bonifartius@social.cleverlibre.org

@Elfie i literally meant for trading :D

@Coyote ffs, he even lives near gun jesus.

cigarettes and booze, the poor mans gold and silver

@straw
we only have the "official numbers", no way to know ;) my half-educated guess is "same ballpark" depending on the flu.

RKI in germany is supervised by the ministry of interior. the people at RKI sure want to keep their jobs. doesn't mean the numbers are outright faked, but the methodology will be tuned to what is expected as result, with plausible deniability. always has been this way, everywhere, any time. no conspiracy required.
@Hyolobrika@mstdn.io

@straw
just random google:

> For example, according to the Robert Koch Institute (RKI), an estimated 25,100 people in Germany died due to influenza during the 2017/2018 flu season, but only 1674 influenza-associated deaths were officially reported [3]. As in-hospital mortality is not collected as part of RKI influenza surveillance, no data are available on this.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7520163/

25k are in the same ballpark as the ~100k for covid, imho.

as highlighted in the last sentence, the way we arrive at these numbers is already problematic. with covid, it seems everyone who tested positive was counted as covid death, even if it was totally unrelated.

if my government succeeded with anything, its pushing me into being a total liberitarian.

@Hyolobrika@mstdn.io

@Hyolobrika@mstdn.io
in the end, no government. they more often than not turn out to be a bad idea.

regarding covid, the measures were and still are so much beyond rational thought here. nearly a year with very limited access to daily life for unvaccinated, basically shopping for food was the only allowed thing. broken stuff? no home depot for unvaccinated.

when it was pretty clear that vaccinated are spreading as well, things weren't relaxed but kept and sometimes increased, because of reasons that were increasingly bullshit.

my real point is that the whole idea of checking ones vaccination status to "do things" is evil. you have such ideas if you are a fascist, not if you want the common good.

it was and is a power grab by governments out of the book. the flu kills more and nobody ever thought it would be wise to do these things, precisely as it would be regarded as power grab and limiting freedom in a way unacceptable.
@straw

@Hyolobrika@mstdn.io
> I suppose that would be the one rule they can't make.
But I was thinking more about safety from other people rather than safety from oneself.

look at the covid measures. they were all carefully crafted to work around being infringing on freedom from a legalese perspective, there is no "rule they can't make". all rules were meant to "protect others". they all were effectively freedom reducing, even when it was clear covid is not going to kill significantly more people than aggressive flu variants.
@straw

@Hyolobrika@mstdn.io
> People might want to live in an area with more rules and less freedom so that they can feel safer

that will end up with rules against them leaving, for their own safety of course!

@straw

@frederic@mastodon.bayern und dann 35 so: "oh"

perks of having a largely unkept garden: many birbs, just watched and listened to a song thrush :)

https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Song_Thrush_(28641950662).jpg

@nexus_plasma @Data fucked around and found out :)

@alphaCarbon33
you are preaching to the choire ;)
@mangeurdenuage