bonifartius 𒂼𒄄 @bonifartius@social.cleverlibre.org

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@eliasr
not python. it has a nice flat learning curve for the first few things and then becomes hell. the ecosystem is shit, you get errors for combining spaces and tabs, etc. those are things which seem completely bullshit and increase the "computers are magic" feel.

bash is better but maybe a bit crazy? on the other hand there are nice things like heredocs which are pretty useful. the idiom of piping things around and combining small tools is something nice to learn.

maybe TCL? it got Tk going for it. Tkinter in python just doesn't cut it, it's too complicated and crufty. kids like to see something graphical. TCL is pretty arcane though.

maybe something from the pascal family? wirth had good ideas for languages _and_ pedagogy. at least you'd have a sane language the kids learn then, without cruft and accumulated hacks like python.

mainstream languages are just horrible for this.

@chpietsch
was ich sagen will: wenn du "Christian Pietsch" und "@chpietsch" benutzt ist das was anderes als "Foo Bar" und "@foobar@digitalcourage.social" :)

@etam @Polychrome
> but other distros adopted it by themselves.

maybe by placing MS double agents there too.

> it solved a lot of problems that Sys V init had

i had less problems _even_ with sys v - there are a plethora of other good init systems - than with lennartd.

> added a lot of new features

which are technical debt.

> It's simply a superior technology.

no. it's a burning heap of toxic waste.

@chpietsch
ich versteh den trend nicht, dass alle klarnamen benutzen. wenn man sich die fedified liste ansieht ist das die überwiegende mehrheit. da geht es doch darum gefunden zu werden - oder nicht?

datenschutz ist wichtig, aber wenn die leute nicht lernen das alle daten die sie "rausblasen" auch genutzt werden hilft informationeller selbstbestimmung auch nicht. jeder muss entscheiden was er veröffentlicht, und was einmal im netz ist, bleibt auch da. da helfen keine wünsche oder gesetze, das ist einfach die technische realität.

das zentralisierte dienste blödsinn sind ist gegeben ;)

@scathach i haven't tried it but openzfs on windows is said to be quite good!

@realcaseyrollins
if you want a hassle free way of trying out linux just get two drives and install linux onto one. select the drive you boot from with BIOS/EFI. works fine here for years now, much simpler than dual booting from a single drive with windows overwriting the bootloader or things like that.