bonifartius 𒂼𒄄 @bonifartius@social.cleverlibre.org

@iron_bug

welp, firefox crashed :D

@r000t @jrballesteros05

@iron_bug

i really should turn it off, i'm not even sure what software on my system still uses it..

@r000t @jrballesteros05

@iron_bug

> adding PID to somewhere is not a "graceful shutdown". it's killing a process, generally. every application had its own way of graceful exit with cleaning up its resourtces. there's no single and universal way to do it.

sure you still need a signal handler for gradeful shutdown :) you can also add a myprogramctl tool which does IPC (but please not dbus :D) with the daemon. whatever fits best!

> and no software needs useless-d features. there's no any special features in it that could ever be needed on Linux. it's a lump of terrible code.

i truly dread the day when linus steps down. they already tried to cancel him. i fear after he's gone, the floodgates are open for all the crappy ideas like kdbus etc. :/

@r000t @jrballesteros05

@jrballesteros05 @iron_bug

i think it's very hard to find companies who don't use a systemd distribution after even debian switched. many people like this "unification" and don't see the bad deal they make with using systemd: bugs non existent before (like the current systemd-crash-bug), shitty reimplementations of >30 year old modular software systems (systemd-resolved is utter crap, even the local-dnsmasq-solution was better) and exponential raise in linking dependencies, because things now use systemd includes everywhere. we've had IPC via sane text based protocols (with the binary exception if it made sense). now we have crazy dbus constructs and people trying to reimplement windows.

systemd proponents say ".service files are so easy to write!" when in reality you only have to write the PID to a file and add a signal handler to your program if it needs to shutdown gracefully. hell, build a "myprogramctl" tool which talks to the daemon via IPC, also fine. i think 95% of the people don't know, and probably don't care because "it's old!", how these things work anymore.

if your software needs fancy systemd features to run correctly, it's broken. if you need the automagick-restart-feature, it's broken. systemd is enabling laziness/bad software in exchange for brittle, inscrutable complexity.

@r000t

@arh@kolektiva.social via tor? anyway, nice to see you back :)

@jauntywunderkind420 @jrballesteros05

https://blog.qualys.com/vulnerabilities-threat-research/2021/07/20/cve-2021-33910-denial-of-service-stack-exhaustion-in-systemd-pid-1 :^)

@r000t i'd wait for the systemd apologists to arrive, but they usually are on the fEdibLoCk servers.. :)

@arh@kolektiva.social do you have vpn access again?

@arh@kolektiva.social happy birthday!

@realcaseyrollins @alex qoto.org is mastodon too :)

@Stridermcperson the current flood was due to heavy rainfall though. the worst thing about it isn't the climate change (which i believe to be real, but this is another discussion ;), it's that we have a warning system for this. which worked, it generated warnings. only almost nobody was properly warned. it's amazing how much the big cheeses of this country can even fuck up things which work.

@thor might well be! or i've had some leftovers.. it was some years ago, so i can't quite remember the details now :)