@ianbetteridge Yeah, I understand the whole "don't hide it" thing and I do agree, it's only the suggestion that not wanting to see it *must* mean one is a Nazi that I dispute. Not being hidden and not wanting to always see everything about it surely aren't the same? Trivial version: I've been a veggie for over forty years, I know all the reasons, I'm aware of the cruelty, I do not need to see another shot of a cow in a slaughterhouse. (I am not making an equivalence here, merely trying to illustrate my point) x