@ohellno
Just the very existence of immune system disproves entire germ theory.
This whole bit of unintelligent dribble can be disproven in all of 2 seconds.. take a pH strip touch it to a chicken pox sore quickly, and see if it shows an extremely low pH, which of course, it will not.
People love to make up whatever bullshit sounds right to them and fits the world they want to make up in their head and really have no intention of taking even a moment to verify it, if they did they might find out they were wrong and their ego can't handle that.
I am not the one making outlandish claims, so I have no need to test their absurd theory... They indicated a theory without absolutely no evidence to back it up, evidence that would be trivial to gather. The lack of evidence and effort means the theory is not based on observed evidence but pulled out of their ass. That pattern alone is more than enough for me to discount it.
Now if they actually bothered to do **science** and test their assertions and presented that as part of their claim, then it would be less outlandish and would be a legitimate reason to expect scientists to repeat the test and see if the theory of acidic secretions has any basis in reality.
Its like me saying "Oh by the way unicorns are real, I can prove it because a bunch of poop you find in the woods has rainbows shooting out of it!"... and the nthem demanding scientist show we have done extensive studies disproving poop with rainbows coming out of it.. Its not mine or any other scientists wackadoo theory, so its not my obligation or that of other scientists to put any effort into it.
You can beleive whatever you want, but you are wrong and you look like an idiot for thinking otherwise.. Of course you think you are right, so feel free to do a study and get it peer reviewed. You will fail (Because your ideas are bullshit) but if you happen to gather any actual evidence then youll prove me wrong.
As for all the "evidence" disproving germ theory.. I've spent a lot of time int he past reading through many people who have came and claimed that and debated it.. all of it was complete idiotic nonsense, and not one bit of it held up to existing knowledge or understanding.
The hundreds of thousands of scientists working with viruses every day already prove its legitimate, most of what they do wouldnt work or make any sense if viruses werent real
> "They can't all be wrong"
No I'm not. I'm basing it on the fact that I have seen and understand what they do in the lab, how they verify things, the scrutiny that goes on, and seeing with my own eyes and repeating some experiments on my own to know that what they say works, works. things that would never and could never work if viruses werent real.
> There are plenty of references and resources available on my site. So if you want to believe in viruses rather than dig in and find answers then do be it.
As I already said, I've already dug in plenty of resources, and they are all written by morons who dont know the first thing about logic or how to "prove" even the most basic things. I have no expectation that your claims are anything new that I havent already seen. However if you wish to bring your evidence into this conversation, go for it. I've done enough digging to know its idiocy, but if you happen to be the one person arguing this shit who has some real evidence, feel free to try to bring it.
> I would rather base what i know to be true from evidence, so enjoy your day.
Clearly not, there is a mountain of evidence and you seem to be pretending like it doesnt even exist, meanwhile you have presented none for your outlandish bullshit.
Good day, I certainly have no time for shoveling your bullshit
And has that experiment been proven or debunked? quoting an observation from 100 years ago doesnt get you very far unless you can show that int he 100 years since experiments have consistently proven it to be true... you do realize 1919 medicine without any reflection on the 100 years of evidence after that is not proving anything right? What do the other 100 years of experiments say?
When did I say I didnt?
More importantly though, I'm not the one trying to make a convincing case, you are. Do you really expect people to go off and invest time in researching an outlandish claim that relies on the entire world of scientists being in on some perpetual conspiracy theory for 100 years without strong evidence to back that up?
Your evidence is one random guy from 100 years ago who claimed to observe something, before they even had the tools to make good tests in the first place. No one is going to go research your flat-earth level bullshit off of one random dude 100 years ago saying he saw something as your "evidence"
@freemo @ohellno
What an idiot, they admitted fraud lies thousands times before you stupid fuck they lie again you idiot. The report I linked above, which you didn't bother to look because you are upfuck egoistic narcisist who can't handle being wrong, proves what I say since january 2020 100%.
Everything govt said was a lie and you went with every single one. there are thousands others they admitted conspiracy as well.
I told you you will cry.
Soon.
@phicyclist @freemo @ohellno I can't stand liars and repeating lies. You are absolutely right, sometimes I forget I am not dealing with rational humans but blind sheep.
I treat people how they deserve to be treated.. he acted with more than enough disrespect to be treated in like kind. If he doesnt want to be treated with animosity the first step is he apologizes, otherwise i will.
@freemo @akeno @ohellno
Everyone is at a different point in their lives. Would you hold a child throwing a tantrum to the same standard as an adult having a bad day? Do you know what a person's experiences & perspectives are, or that they won't have different understanding at some point? Disengaging is often wise.
An eye for an eye and the whole world goes blind. If we are not patient & forgiving with each other eventually the only thing that's left is hate, and that destroys all involved.
> Would you hold a child throwing a tantrum to the same standard as an adult having a bad day?
Yes I would, I would expect them to apologize and until they did they would remain punished.
I dont really give a damn about forces of darkness or whatever else. I have no issue treating people with the respect they earn. It gives them the power to determine how they are treated and ensures that those who act respecfully are rewarded for that.
When respect stops to be something earned then it stops having value.
> With forgiveness, compassion and unconditional love we increase the radiance of Love and Light of the One Infinite Creator in our vicinity.
The creator commited mass murder and filled off an entire planet of humans because of the way they were behaving, if anything I am following his example.
@freemo @Andrii @akeno @ohellno
The reasons for the cleansing were the same as for the instruction to wipe out the Canaanites: cannibalism, human sacrifice & numerous other destructive practices.
God did not do this simply because they were rude & obnoxious. Rather, He commands compassion, forgiveness & patience.
"Forgive them, for they don't know what they're doing."
Thank you exactly my point.. he didnt practice "unconditional love" .. he judged them and treated them how that judgement deserved.
While he may have killed off the bulk of a planet due to "cannabalism, sacrafice, etc" and not just rudeness, by comparison I am also not killing off an entire planet, or even an individual. My "punishment" is far less severe and entirely proportional.
Yup, just as anyone I interact with who has lost my respect has infinite time to apologize and change their ways and would be easily forgiven and treated with respect again. So I'd say I follow the example well enough.
@Andrii
I admitted it (said the same thing) on my very first message on the topic and several times after. You were just too busy listening to your own voice
@ohellno @phicyclist @akeno
No one has been witheld compassion, still preaching and refusing to have even an ounce of humility huh?
My policy of forgiving anyone who apologizes who has wronged me, and giving them the option of being treated with respect should they wish to behave respectfully **is** compassion..
A lack of compassion would be to either enable their bullying (and thus perpetuate it onto others), which is what you are doing, or to not offer them a path to forgiveness.
Your choices are a complete lack of compassion under the guise of compassion because its the one that benefits **you** the most (by avoiding conflict) at the expense of everyone else (by enabling cruelty and passing it on to the next person).
@freemo @Andrii @ohellno @akeno
Look at how much time & effort has been spent on this thread.
You might say it hasn't been much, but it dwells in you and eats away at your soul. Evidence shows that such negativity even manifests physically.
Letting go & moving on frees up time & energy for more positive, productive endeavors.
Jesus told His disciples to forgive as many times as it takes, but also to walk away when vehemently rejected.
Buddhism imitates God, yet reflects that sentiment also.
Andrii has invested more time in this thread than me (his responses have been considerably longer than my own)... so based on your logic it seems you think andrii is the one who has negativity eating away at his soul..
letting go and moving on is just fine, personally id rather engage people in the hopes they can learn from my actions and help me make the world a better place by adopting my reasoning. If i didnt engage with andrii there would be no hope of that.
A few seconds out of my day to respond isnt much of a burden given the potential rewards.
As I stated earlier, punishment was in quotes for a very specific reason. It was only to show the parallels with biblical teaching and example.. as I already said (but apparently you refuse to actually listen to anyone other than yourself) a better term would be "consequences for ones actions".
when a person or even a pet or animals hurts someone else and exhibits bad behavior the worst thing you could do is praise them regardless. That reinforces the behavior and is equivalent to perpetuating the behavior.
When you show they get positive responses for positive behavior then it reinforces positive behavior.
It has nothing to do with punishment, it has to do with the fact that the individual needs to realize that their negative actions will not get them what they want and will not be rewarded, and thus any incentive for them to behave that way is removed.
You on the other hand, by treating them positively when they are acting cruely reinforces that behavior, perpetuates it and encourages the person to behave cruely.. you are directly causing cruelty to breed and spread in the world by your own choices, because you wish to be self-serving and avoid conflict yourself rather than to deal with the project head on and thus serve others.
> ah i hear you are under the impression that you can control all the people you interact with using fear and anger.
No wrong again, this is where your lack of humility keeps screwing you over.. you assume what someone means, jumped to conclusions based on your own assumptions, and fail to actually listen to what the person says in the least and instead just come up with your own fictional intepritation of what they said.
why not instead of telling people what they just said you try actually asking, learning, and considering rather than relying on your rather gigantic ego to assume?
Neither fear nor anger has **anything** to do with it. I do not wish anyone. My response does not and is not intended to elicit fear, and at no point do I expiernce anything remotely resembling anger, someone not earning my respect does not make me angry, it is unfortunate, that is all.
I have had to repeat myself on this point several times, so it tells me you are incapable of learning or listening to others and are only capable of preaching what you believe and your trapped by that, unable to interact with the real world in any meaningful way as a result. but i will explain it one last time.
The point is not fear, it is about reward. When a person acts cruely their intention is to use the cruelty to get there way, usually the expression of anger. By not rewarding that by showing them it does not achieve their intended goal, but instead causes the exact opposite effect (they loose respect) then it tells them that their actions are self defeating for them. This isnt something that will induce fear, they arent going to fear acting that way, they will simply realize that acting that way does not achieve their goals, and behaving appropriately does
> Yes so the service to self hierarchies are made in that fashion I think you will feel right at home there. For example the Dark Fleet or China/North Korea.
Nope, since you have a dozen times now got the defining axiom incorrect (see above part of this message) your conclusions and suppositions based on that axiom such as this are likewise incorrect.
You keep trying to desperately force a perspective that doesn't fit the reality and over and over again you keep repeating yourself even when you've been shown that your underlying assumption is wrong..
You are literally so desperate to believe you are some enlightened preacher all you can hear is your own words and no matter how many times i demonstrate why you arent even close to the reality all you can do is repeat yourself and not even address what i said.. its like your not even hearing it.
Man that ego on you, it is crippling.
Ok now you are listening (or at least making an effort to).. i appreciate that and applaud you for finally taking that step.
There are two definitions for respect and both fit this situation. One is basically "To have admiration for a persons abilities", which in this case means I have admiration for a persons for a persons point of view and how they got there, as well as put time and effort into both understanding it and considering it as a valid argument and when i do not maturely discussing why and try to come to to a place where everyone involved may learn something. Though keep in mind we are talking specifically about an online debate in this case and in the more general case it may not be that specific. In short it basically means "do i give their demands my time, energy and consideration, and am i willing to put the time in to find a compromise if their demands are unreasonable".. for a debate on a topic it means what I just said, other demands it may take another form.
The other definition is "to give due regard to ones statements, demands, or feelings", this would also reply, if a person is acting in a way which is cruel or otherwise not respectful then their statements, concerns, feelings, or anything else they may utter will not be considered with due regard.
In short, whatever the person wants to do, whether it is to have their ideas consider thoughtfully, or some other demand, it generally wont be honored or given and "due regard" if the person does not engage respectfully.
I hear what you mean about not rewarding those who attempt to control you out of fear or anger. In those cases best thing is to thank them for their input, and send them love and light. Obviously you don't need to comply with their fear/anger agenda, since it is not of service to others.
@freemo @akeno @ohellno @phicyclist