What is it with conservatives and this "there are only two sexes" nonsense... Are they trying to convince us they arent any smarter than a grade schooler or something. Anyone who has had more than an elementary school education knows full well its not that simple...

@freemo biologically there are only 2 sexes, male and female. If people feel like they identify with certain traits not normally associated with their biological gender, they should be free to.
But it is absurd on its face to attempt to redefine what gender is biologically. Conservatives are pushing back against the attempt to redefine natural law.

@StarAStar No you are confusing Gender and sex.. biologically sex is not as simple as male and female and there are a huge range of bio9logical physical variations (XX, XY, XXY, XYY, XXX, etc etc).. what you describe when it comes to how people identify, thats called gender and is a different topic than what we are discussing, which is sex.

@freemo look. You can get fancy with the chromosomes, lol. But at the end of the day, either you have the ability to father a child, or you have the ability to mother a child. You either run on testosterone or you run on estrogen. No amount of makeup or surgery is going to change your ability.
Its not a rights issue at all to me. It is a logic and truth issue.
I don’t give a crap what people do to themselves. But don’t push your agenda on me trying to change the truth

@StarAStar No matter how much you might want biology to be as simple as a 3rd grade biology lesson it wont be.. There are plenty of men or women, even ones with perfectly common sex expression, who cant give birth to a child.. are you going to seriously tell me a woman who is infertile is suddenly not a woman... Sorry but its not that simple.

@freemo @StarAStar oh good, the biological fundamentalists yet again.

@icedquinn

these are just people who cant understand anything more complicated than elementary school, so they insist everything must fit their grade school lessons... its just confirmation bias in its most extreme form.

@StarAStar

@freemo i have seen this very boring argument play out many times. it's inherently uninteresting.

:blobfoxsmug: you don't need surgery you need mental help
:blobcatthink: actually they tried that in the 80s and early 90s and the efficacy of hormone replacement was higher than the efficacy of Bob Hart's "STOP IT!" therapy.
:blobfoxangry: well chromosomes or something.
:blobcatshrug: ok so are XXYs men or women because they come in both variants
:blobfoxangrylaugh: ITS ABOUT GETTING PREGGERS DAMN IT
:blobcatfingerguns: so a woman is only a woman because she ovulates and a sterile woman is a fleshbag.
:blobfox0_0:

whatever trans agenda exists is rich people spotlighting them as their latest division measure, all the trans i knew just wanted their dysphoria resolved and to not be axe murdered.

@StarAStar

@icedquinn

I agree entierly, but one thing I like to emphasize which you didnt touch on (though your points very important all the same) is this isnt even a transissue alone.. There are a **lot** of intersexed people, born somewhere in the middle on the spectrum who have no desire for surgery or therapy, they just want to live the way they were born, which happens to be intersexed... These people arent trans but they are intersexed.

The spotlight always seems to be on the trans part of it, and thats a big issue so I think its great people bring up that part. But I think the non-trans intersexed community typically gets ignorred and people forget they are a big part of it too. Even the people doing the hating seem to only think about the trans people and forget that its not just about trans.

@StarAStar

@freemo the spotlight is part of an ongoing divide an conquer. keep them talking about some super-minority of the population that is basically a non-factor, don't talk about the disaster that is common core or the upcoming critical race booklets that say "math is not an objective truth."

@StarAStar

@icedquinn

So you think they are only attacking biology and sex because its an easy first target and the next step is to convince everyone math is as illigitimate as they claim biology is?

I'm not sure its that calculated or intentional but I can say its usually the same sorts of morons who think all scientists are in on some grand global warming consipracy and some even go so far as to think the earth is flat and all of science is a scam... so .. yea it does seem to be similar circles.

@StarAStar

@freemo @icedquinn I haven’t once insulted you, yet you insult at every turn. Unfollowed for inability to converse civily

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I wasnt aware I insulted you (though I did insult several people in this conversation)... As far as I'm concerned I have had no reason to insult you and didnt intend to do so at any point, so sorry if it came across that way..

Do what you must though.

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