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What is it with conservatives and this "there are only two sexes" nonsense... Are they trying to convince us they arent any smarter than a grade schooler or something. Anyone who has had more than an elementary school education knows full well its not that simple...
@freemo biologically there are only 2 sexes, male and female. If people feel like they identify with certain traits not normally associated with their biological gender, they should be free to.
But it is absurd on its face to attempt to redefine what gender is biologically. Conservatives are pushing back against the attempt to redefine natural law.
@StarAStar No you are confusing Gender and sex.. biologically sex is not as simple as male and female and there are a huge range of bio9logical physical variations (XX, XY, XXY, XYY, XXX, etc etc).. what you describe when it comes to how people identify, thats called gender and is a different topic than what we are discussing, which is sex.
@freemo look. You can get fancy with the chromosomes, lol. But at the end of the day, either you have the ability to father a child, or you have the ability to mother a child. You either run on testosterone or you run on estrogen. No amount of makeup or surgery is going to change your ability.
Its not a rights issue at all to me. It is a logic and truth issue.
I don’t give a crap what people do to themselves. But don’t push your agenda on me trying to change the truth
@StarAStar No matter how much you might want biology to be as simple as a 3rd grade biology lesson it wont be.. There are plenty of men or women, even ones with perfectly common sex expression, who cant give birth to a child.. are you going to seriously tell me a woman who is infertile is suddenly not a woman... Sorry but its not that simple.
these are just people who cant understand anything more complicated than elementary school, so they insist everything must fit their grade school lessons... its just confirmation bias in its most extreme form.
you don't need surgery you need mental help
actually they tried that in the 80s and early 90s and the efficacy of hormone replacement was higher than the efficacy of Bob Hart's "STOP IT!" therapy.
well chromosomes or something.
ok so are XXYs men or women because they come in both variants
ITS ABOUT GETTING PREGGERS DAMN IT
so a woman is only a woman because she ovulates and a sterile woman is a fleshbag.
whatever trans agenda exists is rich people spotlighting them as their latest division measure, all the trans i knew just wanted their dysphoria resolved and to not be axe murdered.
@StarAStar
I agree entierly, but one thing I like to emphasize which you didnt touch on (though your points very important all the same) is this isnt even a transissue alone.. There are a **lot** of intersexed people, born somewhere in the middle on the spectrum who have no desire for surgery or therapy, they just want to live the way they were born, which happens to be intersexed... These people arent trans but they are intersexed.
The spotlight always seems to be on the trans part of it, and thats a big issue so I think its great people bring up that part. But I think the non-trans intersexed community typically gets ignorred and people forget they are a big part of it too. Even the people doing the hating seem to only think about the trans people and forget that its not just about trans.
@StarAStar
So you think they are only attacking biology and sex because its an easy first target and the next step is to convince everyone math is as illigitimate as they claim biology is?
I'm not sure its that calculated or intentional but I can say its usually the same sorts of morons who think all scientists are in on some grand global warming consipracy and some even go so far as to think the earth is flat and all of science is a scam... so .. yea it does seem to be similar circles.
>scientific conspiracies i suspect deference and gatekeeping goes a long way. you don’t have to be “in” on anything if you are unknowingly working on the wrong postulates.
@StarAStar@galacticpatrol.masto.host
Yes but its a big leap to go from "some scientists are working on bad theories" ... to "the overwhelming consensus, along with extremely easy to understand proof is just the result of everyone being wrong at the same time".
The fact is things like the earth being flat or global warming being human caused are very trivial things to confirm, there is a lot of science beyond that that is quite difficult, but just proving those two points is so trivial that you just arent going to get much disagreement.
did not inspire confidence.
@icedquinn Well no one is under much obligation to teach anyone else. That is unfortunate of course, but you have to keep in mind scientists like myself usually have a lot of time demanded of us by conspiracy theorists like flat earthers, or the earth is only 4,000 years old or whatever, for the most part climate change deniers often (though not always) arent much different. It would be trivial to step someone through step by step how we can be certain of climate change (as I said the evidence and conclusion is relatively trivial).. The problem is most of the time these people arent there to learn why climate change is true, they are there to argue their side ad infinitum and just waste everyones time, and eventually after however long the debate evolves into "well how can I trust scientists they are paid mooonnniiieeessss".
If you or anyone has a sincere desire to understand why human caused climate change is real, and dont understand how the dots are connected I will always be happy to walk you through it, but if you already come in with your mind made up and without the expertise to validate that, then its likely going to be a waste of my time to try.
