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What is it with conservatives and this "there are only two sexes" nonsense... Are they trying to convince us they arent any smarter than a grade schooler or something. Anyone who has had more than an elementary school education knows full well its not that simple...
@freemo biologically there are only 2 sexes, male and female. If people feel like they identify with certain traits not normally associated with their biological gender, they should be free to.
But it is absurd on its face to attempt to redefine what gender is biologically. Conservatives are pushing back against the attempt to redefine natural law.
@StarAStar No you are confusing Gender and sex.. biologically sex is not as simple as male and female and there are a huge range of bio9logical physical variations (XX, XY, XXY, XYY, XXX, etc etc).. what you describe when it comes to how people identify, thats called gender and is a different topic than what we are discussing, which is sex.
@freemo look. You can get fancy with the chromosomes, lol. But at the end of the day, either you have the ability to father a child, or you have the ability to mother a child. You either run on testosterone or you run on estrogen. No amount of makeup or surgery is going to change your ability.
Its not a rights issue at all to me. It is a logic and truth issue.
I don’t give a crap what people do to themselves. But don’t push your agenda on me trying to change the truth
@StarAStar No matter how much you might want biology to be as simple as a 3rd grade biology lesson it wont be.. There are plenty of men or women, even ones with perfectly common sex expression, who cant give birth to a child.. are you going to seriously tell me a woman who is infertile is suddenly not a woman... Sorry but its not that simple.
these are just people who cant understand anything more complicated than elementary school, so they insist everything must fit their grade school lessons... its just confirmation bias in its most extreme form.
you don't need surgery you need mental help
actually they tried that in the 80s and early 90s and the efficacy of hormone replacement was higher than the efficacy of Bob Hart's "STOP IT!" therapy.
well chromosomes or something.
ok so are XXYs men or women because they come in both variants
ITS ABOUT GETTING PREGGERS DAMN IT
so a woman is only a woman because she ovulates and a sterile woman is a fleshbag.
whatever trans agenda exists is rich people spotlighting them as their latest division measure, all the trans i knew just wanted their dysphoria resolved and to not be axe murdered.
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I agree entierly, but one thing I like to emphasize which you didnt touch on (though your points very important all the same) is this isnt even a transissue alone.. There are a **lot** of intersexed people, born somewhere in the middle on the spectrum who have no desire for surgery or therapy, they just want to live the way they were born, which happens to be intersexed... These people arent trans but they are intersexed.
The spotlight always seems to be on the trans part of it, and thats a big issue so I think its great people bring up that part. But I think the non-trans intersexed community typically gets ignorred and people forget they are a big part of it too. Even the people doing the hating seem to only think about the trans people and forget that its not just about trans.
>There are a **lot** of intersexed people, born somewhere in the middle on the spectrum
there really aren't that many people with genuine intersex disorders. it's probably less than 1% of the population- but if we believe the libtard media then you'd think everyone falls somewhere on this ambiguous sex and gender scale which is simply not the case.
humans are sexually dimorphic. male or female. some of us have birth defects.
not to discount the very real effect of hormone disrupting toxins in the environment on epigenetics, gene expression and sexual development.
but when people say "a lot" of people are transgender, they're not referring to genuine birth defects. they're referring to mental illness that is exacerbated and encouraged by the globohomo media pushing sexual confusion on children
The estimated number is usually a bit closer to 2%, but depends on what your defining as the criteria, so the percentage is hard to pin down.
With that said 1% is a huge number of people, we are still talking many many millions.
One can of course argue that intersex is a minority of the population and you wouldnt be wrong to do so.. Doesnt change the fact that sex is a spectrum and that these people exist on the spectrum at a point other than its extremes.
Its also important to note that while sex is a spectrum and being truely in the middle is the minority it doesnt make the importance of sex as a spectrum any less. There are males who will be close enough to the male end of the spectrum not be labeled as intersexed but still have some variation and female like qualities in low proportions (for example a lower than normal testosterone level or higher than normal estrogen levels).. We might call them men but recognizing the existance of the spectrum is as important for them as those in the middle.
If you're talking about the gender social construct stuff, that's different and it's a social science. It's like saying Intelligence Design should be taught in Biology class and not Social Studies/World Religions class.
If you want to believe in a billion genders, that's fine, but you've now left the realm of biology and entered the world of philosophy.
For the most part, that's fine, whatever. You do you. I don't really care. But where I do care:
* Men destroying women in sports. We split out on biology because it fucking matters. HRT (estrogen specifically) actually increases bone density in MtF, giving them an advantage in some sports over their own natural biology.
* Injecting children with puberty blockers. That's the same as castrating children to make them Castratos. We don't do that any more because it's insane.
* Trans men breast feeding kids. They take hormones to produce milk .. and those hormones are in the milk, being fed to the kid.
No the number is 2% if we use the broadest definition of intersex, small when other definitions are used.
Thre is no specific % however that is "right" since sex is a spectrum, so the percentage is defined wholly by where you place the cutoff. So its a self referential measure that really doesnt help much.
Funny, was thinking the same thing about you.. you literally pulled percentages out of your ass twice (mine came from actual numbers published by doctors)... go figure.
Honestly everything you're saying sounds like what I remember learning in the church about creationism or what you can find in Ken Ham's Creation Museum outside of Cincinnati. It's all voodoo and weird percentages to make a religious case. We literally cannot have rational argument with you about this because it's seriously like talking to the Jesus freak walking around town with a wheel on his cross.
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