what’s next [after the equality act]? racial identity? can someone identify as a minority [for benefits]? i mean we’ve already seen it happen — David Freiheit

@icedquinn Personally I think we are going about it backwards.. we shouldnt be treating women, or minorities as special groups or give them special treatment (regardless of if they face unique challenges), therefore problem solved, be a minority if you want, who cares.

That isnt that there is no problem or that the problem isnt to be solved. But if we solve the problem for all poor, for example, then by extension we are already helping challenged groups (who are more likely to be poor) as a result.

@freemo in the case of gendered sports its literally because women are, en masse, scientifically, inferior to the point they can't compete.

it's not "men's sports" and "women's sports," they are "sports leagues" and "women's leagues" for the reason of you have potentially 300m citizens in the USA and there are maybe <100 slots to put in the sports league.

the womens leagues are a concession so they can play sports at all.

this is why the whole 'no trans in womens sports' is a big deal.

@icedquinn Seems to me there would be better ways to solve that as well.. Simply have sports be neutral to genders, then do all sports by weight class, problem solved, men will dominate the higher weight class divisions, women will be on equal footing at lower weight classes.. a woman and a man of equal weight, both trained to have low body fat will have equivelant muscle mass and performance.

@freemo i'm not aware of any data that suggests this would work, but you're welcome to try.
@icedquinn @freemo it doesn't, just look at mma or boxing. Muscular and skeletal structures are entirely different

@rat_attakk

do you have any data on mma fighting or something? Obviously they have a different figure but when all your weight is developed into muscle that just means youll have different superior abilities on each side at best not any side being at a greater advantage overall.

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@freemo @rat_attakk i know from reading Ferris' books that a lot of weight class shenanigans/cheating goes on.
@freemo @rat_attakk what he admitted to doing for one tournament was basically going on diuretics / dehydrating himself extremely and faking his weight just underneath the class cutoff at a weigh-in, then once they signed off on featherweight went and hydrated back up to the next bracket and was able to just push his competitors out of the ring.
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Thats not unusual for men or women in sports, in fact its the norm. We did it regularly in our high school wrestling team even. Its pretty much standard practice in any weight based sport (wrestling being one).

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