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@mystik you were never in the south, weren't?
I mean, the real south, no the one with Sherman's neckties 
@mystik @TruthAndFreedom @freemo @ew
It was great to chat with you guys. Here is a few donut for you all!
It make sense. Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are new technology.
I would say that if someone want to get vaccinated and are still afraid, try with the Johnson & Johnson or AstraZeneca (false alarm at trombosis) vaccines.
Those vaccines are classic vaccines. Old fashion vaccines for COVID19.
In fact Johnson & Johnson vaccine have fantastic metrics.
For old people the best ones are AstraZeneca and Johnson & Johnson. The last one is authorized and available.
100% dosis will not be due until 2023 minimum because studies are 3 years long (as fast, they could last longer).
@TruthAndFreedom @freemo @ew
Karma is a bitch, you know?
On the contrary. My parents are already vaccinated. They are 90+ yo. They got the first dosis. They are OK.
At the same time, if someone refuse the vaccine... all good. It is voluntary.
Risking permanent paralysis over a fucking flu.
I have seen no good evidence to suggest the vaccine causes paralysis in the short term. Any short term health concerns from the vaccine of any significant concern are very unlikely or nonexistant.
The risks are simply long-term unknowns, not short term risks, those are mostly accounted for.
yes @ vaccine risks.
Same with the virus. We are bias. We associate COVID with effects similar to flu because both attack breathing system.
But we do not know the long effects of covid. If any.
https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/lawrence-solomon/death-by-influenza_b_4661442.html
"U.S. data on influenza deaths are a mess," states a 2005 article in the British Medical Journal entitled "Are U.S. flu death figures more PR than science?" This article takes issue with the 36,000 flu-death figure commonly claimed, and with describing "influenza/pneumonia" as the seventh leading cause of death in the U.S.
"But why are flu and pneumonia bundled together?" the article asks. "Is the relationship so strong or unique to warrant characterizing them as a single cause of death?"
The article's answer is no. Most pneumonia deaths are unrelated to influenza. For example, "stomach acid suppressing drugs are associated with a higher risk of community-acquired pneumonia, but such drugs and pneumonia are not compiled as a single statistic," explained Dr. David Rosenthal, director of Harvard University Health Services. "People don't necessarily die, per se, of the [flu] virus -- the viraemia. What they die of is a secondary pneumonia."
What the fuck are you on about.. I read it, why are you pretending to be psychic and telling me what I did and did not read... I asked you if you are asking me a question about what you posted. Are you trying to ask **me** while they are bundled, you seemed to answer your own question so im asking what are you asking me? Or are you going to deflect again and tell me I didnt read ?
As I stated before your talking about a data set that I didnt een use to come up with the figure I stated.. so any inaccuracies in it really isnt relevant to the assertion in the first place, im not using the source your accusing, so its moot.
Second, the number of cases are irrelevant, my statement is about your chance of survival if you catch the diseases (mortality rate) and therefore is uneffected by the number of people in the general population who get the diseases.
Third, when calculating mortality to ensure we get utmost accuracy we use a more restrictive dataset that only inclues the people who are actually tested to ensure we are measuring influenza or covid.
>when calculating mortality to ensure we get utmost accuracy
your anecdotal science is bullshit that can't accurately predict anything.
https://healthcorrelator.blogspot.com/2021/01/has-covid-led-to-increase-in-all-cause.html
Umm ok, I guess that explains why "no one ever debunked your link"... apparently lots of people do you just pretend like they didnt and then go one some tantrum that makes no sense... cool seems we are at an impasse then, im not sure your capable of understanding why your wrong no matter what I say.
No thats not what I said... I will repeat the rebuke a second time since your too emotional to see it..
All your concerns and the link were directed at the CDC's data set.. true or not, I (and the scientists I trust) did not use the data set or the process you accused of being inaccurate. Therefore I was able to arrive at my conclusion without any of your concerns being relevant since they apply to a data set I did not use.
There, now understand why your point was so easily dismissed? Or are you still going to pretend you dont understand why your whole argument and the article has no relevance to my statement?
>and the scientists I trust
CULT.
Dude, you can't logic. Just admit it. You're member of a cult.
by using tests that are able to determine if they have the disease combines with the circumstances of the death which tends to involve a second test to show the viral load had increased since the first, and by monitoring symptoms...
When someone is in the ICU from falling down th steps they will have very different symptoms then if they are there because the virus has progressed, the viral load will also be different.
https://nationalfile.com/inventor-of-pcr-test-said-fauci-doesnt-know-anything-and-is-willing-to-lie-on-television/
https://www.bitchute.com/channel/jvb6P6dwrWqQ/
There are countless different types of tests that can be employed, I did not state what test was used, which shows why you are not a reliable person to discuss this with. Instead of **asking** what test was used and the reliability of the test you just cherry picked some noise about some random test without any understanding if it was even the test involved in the analysis I described.. can you not see how that makes you an unreliable source of any judgement on this?
From the article in the section about medicine:
"Out of 49 medical studies from 1990–2003 with more than 1000 citations, 45 claimed that the studied therapy was effective. Out of these studies, 16% were contradicted by subsequent studies, 16% had found stronger effects than did subsequent studies, 44% were replicated, and 24% remained largely unchallenged.["
In other words only 16% of studies couldnt be replicated, and 84% of them could either be replicated, or the final results agreed with the study and the study actually **downplayed** their results such that it showed a greater success rate than claimed...
On the psychology thing, this is an amusing/poignant comparison of the scientific relevance of parapsychology versus psychology research.
https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/04/28/the-control-group-is-out-of-control/
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I thought you were done with me... I see your not the brightest bulb in the batch, tagging me is the exact opposite of "being done with me". I think what you meant is "I will now have a temper tantrum and go full snowflake because facts make me mad"
Yea you've replied to me several times actually. I know reality is tricky for you, but your actually replying to me right now, just like you did in the previous message, and many times before that.
You are like biden, you barely even know where you are or what your doing, HA!
@ew @freemo @TruthAndFreedom @cowanon @mystik @pthenq1 First of 2 threads on #covidhoax that said most of this: https://noagendasocial.com/@PurplePitchforks/105868910391070063
@Coyote I have a theory about the vaccines that I’ve never heard anyone else voice anywhere. It’s not that it’s pure genius, amazing, or astounding. It’s really simple. No one says it. (I’m sure someone somewhere has, I’ve just never seen them.) @ew @TruthAndFreedom @cowanon @freemo @mystik @pthenq1
@epic What is it?
@polarisera @epic @TruthAndFreedom @cowanon @ew @freemo @mystik @pthenq1
I’m so lost on what point you are trying to make. Can you walk us through it?
As in, “Ecological Inference Problem” “Trust the Science or your a Nazi” vs. “That’s not science, your a Marxist!” That comes to mind as the relevant example, am I reading you wrong?
I’m lost, Markov implies random, and the pathological behaviors inciting political decision are not random. The behaviors and actions are far more predictable, they are pathological.
That plague “authoritarian pseudo-science” lost me. Why should a problem that plagues pseudo-science be of any concern? It’s not science, and until it makes a logical basis in fact, should not be considered as an influencing factor by anyone other than the pathological, who are the root of the problem, because they were not taught solid math and logic skills under the modern educational constructs created by, well, Marxists.
I’m jumping in a bit late here, but some of these posts look like buzzword bingo, and I’m trying to sort out who’s actually making a point. I think you had one, but I think it’s obscured in context. Would like to understand this proposed question better so that it could be addressed intelligently.
You are arguing with a bunch of idiots who want to beleive their smart but never did any hard work to actually learn anything. So their ego convinces them "learning is the devil" and then they pretend to be smart despite knowing nothing... if you are trying to make intellectual sense of it you will never succeed because these are people who are just lashing out because they are ashamed at being a nobody who knows nothing and isnt willing to do the hard work to change that but still feels they deserve the credit.
@epic @TruthAndFreedom@masthead.social @pthenq1 @mystik @cowanon @ew @polarisera
@freemo @Coyote @epic @TruthAndFreedom @pthenq1 @mystik @cowanon @ew @polarisera
Learning is the devil work bobby!
@Coyote Oh, that thread was waaay too in-depth for the likes o’ me too. I didn’t follow all those links. My ideas are as simple as the nose on your face, I’ve just never heard them voiced before.
Ya gotta give me a few minutes to type the post though. I’m a slow typist and that’s my excuse for not being clear enough of a thinker to whip it out. Just a few minutes.
Now, I feel like it’s gonna be a severe letdown because the buildup got too carried away. It’s simple. Gotta start typing over again now. … … … ok, where’s the ‘p’ key again? … @polarisera @TruthAndFreedom @cowanon @ew @freemo @mystik @pthenq1
Mute thread and repost team fortress gifs.
> Ya gotta give me a few minutes to type the post though.
Don't waste our time. Mute thread and repost team fortress gifs.
@Coyote @TruthAndFreedom @ew @freemo @mystik @polarisera @pthenq1
No. @polarisera @TruthAndFreedom @epic @ew @freemo @mystik @pthenq1
@polarisera I’m willing to give you the benefit of the doubt here and assume those are real words. 😜 @Coyote @TruthAndFreedom @cowanon @ew @freemo @mystik @pthenq1
@epic @polarisera @TruthAndFreedom @cowanon @ew @freemo @mystik @pthenq1 I wish I could find it, Lex Fridman summarized some of my own thoughts I learned very early in life on the intro to his podcast within the last week. Basically, the only time ever, even in the most technical of scientific writing, to use rare or complex terminology, is when there is absolutely no way to say the same thing with simpler words. When you are trying to communicate, if you are smart, you understand you must make your message as clear as possible to as large of an audience as you can reach. Lawyers using “here-to-fore,” doctors who can’t describe a condition with words less than 3 syllable, philosophy calling rare theories as fact rather than describing fact with only reference to one named theory, these are all lazy and insecure reactions to fears of being challenged on the foundation of your position by trying to narrow your peer group to both inflate your ego, and to protect your ideas by obscuring them through the lens of another’s much greater works.
@Coyote Yeah. What he said. 👍 @TruthAndFreedom @cowanon @ew @freemo @mystik @polarisera @pthenq1
Preach! Who was it that said "if you can't explain something to a grade schooler you probably haven't understood it at all" was it Feynman?
@coyote @TruthAndFreedom @cowanon @epic @ew @freemo @mystik @polarisera @pthenq1 An “Archie Bunker” stereotype might say, “ah, that Lex, he’s one of the good ones…” And, why shouldn’t that be funny and not a “hate crime” to say?
@coyote @TruthAndFreedom @cowanon @epic @ew @freemo @mystik @polarisera @pthenq1 Situation update: Archie Bunker (fictional character) is now in quarantine, when his great grand daughter Karen called the police on Thanksgiving, 2020 for not wearing a mask in a gathering of more than 3. As of this date, there has been no word on his status, and attempts to locate him remain unanswered.
@Coyote As people get their vaccine cards, the resources being used to force everyone to get a card will be freed up and the resources can be brought to bear on those who haven’t yet got a card. Here’s how it works…
It’ll be sort of like when you go to one of those sales seminars for RV hookups or timeshares where you get a free set of steak knives just for going. If you’ve been to one of those and held out, you’ll know this routine.
They seat all the attendees around those big round banquet tables that seat 10-12 people. There’s one salesman per table. As people leave, walking out or buying, the salesmen can focus more attention on the people that are left because there are fewer of them.
When it gets down to only one or two marks (customers) per table, the salesmen start to combine people from separate tables. Now, each table has two salesmen working on the marks. If you’re the last holdout, refusing to buy or leave, you end up being the only customer in the whole room and every salesman who was in the room is working on you.
What were we talking about? Oh, vaccines. More and more attention will be focused on the people who resist getting the vaccine as time goes by. It will get more and more difficult to resist. [2/5] @TruthAndFreedom @cowanon @ew @freemo @mystik @pthenq1
@Coyote As is quite obvious, we’re headed for a system much like the Social Credit system the Chinese have now but far worse. Our new Surveillance Capitalism will be far far more restrictive and work far better than the CCP’s because everyone can be tracked much easier in the US than dirt poor farmers knee deep in the rice paddy water of rural China can.
The longer you refuse the vaccine, the lower your social credit score will go and it will be unrecoverable. You will always remain one of those people who refused the vaccine. The longer you refuse, the worse you’ll be screwed. You will never get that coveted position high in business management. You will be the last to receive any social support from the government. Hold out til the end and you’ll end up being watched for any missteps forever. [3/5] @TruthAndFreedom @cowanon @ew @freemo @mystik @pthenq1
@Coyote The Red-Flag laws being pushed through Congress right now at the same time Joe Biden is formulating his Executive Orders to remove gun rights will, of course, first remove guns from the most dangerous … most dangerous to the government. The more you resist vaccination, the more likely the government is going to show up at your door to pick up your guns.
When others see guns being removed from the homes of vaccination holdouts, more and more people will get vaccinated. It will be a coercive technique. Hold out long enough and you will surely mark yourself as an OBVIOUS subversive and they’ll come through the front wall of your house in an armored car to get your guns. They already have proof you’re dangerous.
They’ll know exactly which homes to do that to because you gave them a pointer —> the subversive refusing to get the vaccine. [4/5] @TruthAndFreedom @cowanon @ew @freemo @mystik @pthenq1
@Coyote So, more and more pressure will come on the people who refuse the vaccine as time goes by. The longer you refuse the worse your cancellation. If you don’t voluntarily give up your guns they’ll know exactly where to get them with the most force.
(I know, I coulda just wrote that last paragraph but I was enjoying the attention. 😁) [5/5] @TruthAndFreedom @cowanon @ew @freemo @mystik @pthenq1
Most of that makes sense, mostly. However, there’s a few issues in practical application that should be exploited by people valuing individual liberty right now.
First, the July 1st date is important. That’s when the FDA has to extend “experimental use needed for the ‘pandemic’,” or Pharma gets to charge full prices. Pharma probably wants to charge full prices, so likely won’t support the mandatory mass production at discounted prices. We’ve seen “signals” that Biden’s position is weakening, by the promise of “if you get vaccinated enough you can go out on the 4th of July.” That’s his “big push” right now to get as many vaccinated before he might lose control.
Next, Texit. Not a solution, but step in the right direction. The division on the gun control issue is fundamental to the people keeping more power than the government, and it’s been crumbling since NFA in 1934, and has been OUT OF CONTROL since 1972 the IRS split the ATF off into it’s own militarized law enforcement agency. The idea of a Brexit, is a positive peaceful exit to laws and treaties that do not represent the values of, or protect, citizens.
It’s not “our” government, hasn’t been since probably pre-1900. It’s their government, the ruling elite, who “allow” us to be subjects in their kingdom, and continue to only give the illusion of “representation” feeding this mythical “democracy for good.”
It was designed as a Republic, to prevent mob rule, by the best guess at what might work. It didn’t work. The one thing broken in the constitution is that it ALLOWS for mob rule (aka democracy) to infringe on individual liberty. But, it was written when people were coming here to avoid tyranny, and seeking individual liberty, so it worked for a while. Now, it’s not, people are not seeking refuge from tyranny, they are looking for a BBD (1984 movie Hardbodies reference), and mob mentality is not a great decision making force when it comes to “we will trade off this right for that benefit.” It’s broken. Rebuild the whole fucking thing: https://tucson.claims/@Coyote/posts/A4qB78P5vYQljdASga
I’m not trying to say you are wrong, at all. Once again, you are mostly right, and it mostly makes sense. Just looking for any workable solutions right now, and there aren’t a lot of options left.
