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@mystik you were never in the south, weren't?
I mean, the real south, no the one with Sherman's neckties 
@mystik @TruthAndFreedom @freemo @ew
It was great to chat with you guys. Here is a few donut for you all!
It make sense. Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are new technology.
I would say that if someone want to get vaccinated and are still afraid, try with the Johnson & Johnson or AstraZeneca (false alarm at trombosis) vaccines.
Those vaccines are classic vaccines. Old fashion vaccines for COVID19.
In fact Johnson & Johnson vaccine have fantastic metrics.
For old people the best ones are AstraZeneca and Johnson & Johnson. The last one is authorized and available.
100% dosis will not be due until 2023 minimum because studies are 3 years long (as fast, they could last longer).
@TruthAndFreedom @freemo @ew
Karma is a bitch, you know?
On the contrary. My parents are already vaccinated. They are 90+ yo. They got the first dosis. They are OK.
At the same time, if someone refuse the vaccine... all good. It is voluntary.
Risking permanent paralysis over a fucking flu.
I have seen no good evidence to suggest the vaccine causes paralysis in the short term. Any short term health concerns from the vaccine of any significant concern are very unlikely or nonexistant.
The risks are simply long-term unknowns, not short term risks, those are mostly accounted for.
yes @ vaccine risks.
Same with the virus. We are bias. We associate COVID with effects similar to flu because both attack breathing system.
But we do not know the long effects of covid. If any.
https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/lawrence-solomon/death-by-influenza_b_4661442.html
"U.S. data on influenza deaths are a mess," states a 2005 article in the British Medical Journal entitled "Are U.S. flu death figures more PR than science?" This article takes issue with the 36,000 flu-death figure commonly claimed, and with describing "influenza/pneumonia" as the seventh leading cause of death in the U.S.
"But why are flu and pneumonia bundled together?" the article asks. "Is the relationship so strong or unique to warrant characterizing them as a single cause of death?"
The article's answer is no. Most pneumonia deaths are unrelated to influenza. For example, "stomach acid suppressing drugs are associated with a higher risk of community-acquired pneumonia, but such drugs and pneumonia are not compiled as a single statistic," explained Dr. David Rosenthal, director of Harvard University Health Services. "People don't necessarily die, per se, of the [flu] virus -- the viraemia. What they die of is a secondary pneumonia."
What the fuck are you on about.. I read it, why are you pretending to be psychic and telling me what I did and did not read... I asked you if you are asking me a question about what you posted. Are you trying to ask **me** while they are bundled, you seemed to answer your own question so im asking what are you asking me? Or are you going to deflect again and tell me I didnt read ?
As I stated before your talking about a data set that I didnt een use to come up with the figure I stated.. so any inaccuracies in it really isnt relevant to the assertion in the first place, im not using the source your accusing, so its moot.
Second, the number of cases are irrelevant, my statement is about your chance of survival if you catch the diseases (mortality rate) and therefore is uneffected by the number of people in the general population who get the diseases.
Third, when calculating mortality to ensure we get utmost accuracy we use a more restrictive dataset that only inclues the people who are actually tested to ensure we are measuring influenza or covid.
You still haven't answered the first question at all, this one: "you can't prove that either are dangerous". In fact if all you have is "CDC bad" yet you haven't explained why CDC numbers aren't reliable.
