I'm being told on Twitter that vaccines are safe, they are very angry with me, not joking:
https://twitter.com/MaggieEThornton/status/1380652509405003776

@Coyote you’re doing good work🤣 I’d join you but I’m permanently suspended from Twitter. Every time I open the app there is this big banner that says “Welcome Back” but I can’t tweet and they zero’d out my followers and followed accounts.

@madmike

It's just confronting fools with their own stupidity. When both had "PhD" next to their names, and can't support a single scientific claim, it mostly says our educational system is garbage. But we all knew that... 😂

@Coyote

Probably would help if next time you dont lead in with that hydrochloride stupidity. Yea there are legitimate concerns with the vaccines as they were rushed past the usual safety checks. But your other comments destroyed your credibility.

@madmike

@freemo @Coyote HCQ works and is safe and many many deaths would have been prevented if it were more widely used. There have been epidemiologists and virologists saying as much. They’ve been kicked off of Twitter and YouTube.

@madmike @freemo @Coyote Yes you are right #hcqworks don't listen to scummo he is corrupt academic morally defunct, with god complex, works for government pathological liar as caught many times, just a human garbage that will pay at the end of scamdemic. Covid19 doesn't exist. Virus doesn't exist.
And if scummo says otherwise he can collect free money here samueleckert.net/isolat-truth- he won't because he is simply a liar.

thegatewaypundit.com/2020/07/f

2020news.de/wp-content/uploads

swprs.org/why-covid-19-is-a-st

@akeno

Scummo could have all the evidence in the world and not be able to collect. Anyone who pulls the conspiracy theory bullshit that covid doesnt exist and hasnt been proven to exist doesnt know the first thing about the science of any of it.

@madmike @Coyote

@freemo @akeno @madmike

I know it exists, I've had it, still not breathing right. Got it last March, wish I would have got it now, when they know a bit more.

What's real though is, it's a rather small blip, flu sized so far, and I suspect more life-long damage than a typical flu. But still, it's no where near the scale they say it is, and until I see this data from our own country, I'm going to believe this scale is probably a reasonable representation:
https://twitter.com/VoidSurf1/status/1320269542174720000

@akeno

Complete uneducated nonsense... for starters "isolated" doesnt mean jack shit because if you were to truely isolate the virus, as in all you have the virus and no plasma, or cell organels or anythjing else, the virus would fall apart into dust.

What we can do, and have done, is prove the virus is there, prove its exact genetic sequence, and even literally seen it under a microscope. We have also been able to prove the dna and the protein are what we were looking at by chromotographic and other techniques..

For all practical purposes it has been isolated, it just so happens there are a bunch of people out there who dont know the first clue about chemistry or biology who simply cant understand that and claim otherwise.

@Coyote @madmike

@akeno

By the way notice the author of the paper you linked, Robert O Young who declares himself a doctor and PhD... he isnt a doctor, he isnt a PhD, he literally dropped out of the only accredited university he went to, he only got in on a tennis scholarship, and to add insult to injury is not only convicted of fraud but has espoused a ton of other completely idiotic Ideas.

Here is the wikipedia article on him along with a quote:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_O

"Young's website states he attended the University of Utah on a tennis scholarship and studied biology and business in the early 1970s. He did not graduate.[9] He then performed missionary work for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints for two years in London. Young, who is not a medical doctor, has received doctorates for naturopathy and nutrition from Clayton College of Natural Health (formerly American College of Holistic Nutrition), a defunct correspondence school which was not accredited by any agency recognized by the U.S. Department of Education.[10][11][1] The prosecution at his 2016 trial said his doctorate was purchased from a "diploma mill",[12] and it was pointed out that he had gone from a bachelor's to a doctor's degree in eight months.[9]"

@Coyote @madmike

@freemo @Coyote @madmike You are not a Dr. you are a fraud.
When you can't ad lapidem you ad hominem.

Rap sheet of your scientologists who claim covid19 is real pandemic and make trillions on it is longer than toilet paper but you don't mind that. because rich can buy judges to keep their eugenic business going.

That's not on your corruptpedia.

prepareforchange.net/2021/01/2

thefreethoughtproject.com/comp

@akeno

LOLOLOLOL

You: "Here listen to this guy who got a PhD in 8 months from a guy in a trench coat in a back ally talk about how viruses arent real".

Me: "That dude isnt a Phd"

You: "Barghblahdf youa re a fraud, a Scientologist, you dont know what your talking about. How dare you insult a real doctor who knew what he was talking about"...

LOL ok there buddy. you lost the high ground the second you tried to sell a college drop out who only got in on a scholarship playing tennis as a reliable source in the first place. Sorry but your opinion of me has 0 value.

@Coyote @madmike

@freemo @akeno @madmike

BTW, want to talk about expensive pieces of paper that are both highly (libral arts) over valued, and highly (hard science) under valued... With insane finance schemes supporting it, government funded paywall protected "results" they cherry pick for media coverage, and total exploitation of reasonable thinking and rational intellectual pursuits being corrupted to the core, for ... paper? That is symbolized with Letters, PhD, JD, MD, DO, DDS, And the ever so lovely "honorary" PhD media darlings of zero intellectual worth to society as a whole and ...

I fear scam crypto a lot less than the scam shit they have been doing with the educational system in this country. Put logic, and basic math back in to all the time slots they fill with SJW shit starting young, let them figure out politics later.

Non Sequiter! Non Sequiter! Fuck everyone!

@10grans makeitrain 0.0001
@Coyote
I have a new name for BA BS, etc. "Certificates of superivised learning".
Basically all they mean is that a person read books and may have done hands on exercise in a supervised setting for a number of years.

That is really all they are as far as I can tell.

Someone tried to say they were automatically correct because they had such a certificate, I mentioned that is a logical fallacy known as appeal to authority.

@freemo @10grans @akeno @madmike

@Andrii

No one should assume someone is automatically correct due to letters on their name.. however if those letters come from an accredited university, and one person has them and another doesnt, and both sides assert some fact without actually teaching you what you need to know to prove that fact (perhaps because it is too complicated in the time given).. youd be a fool not to go with the person who has been trained all else being equal.

With that said if someone has some letters after their name and has accomplished nothing past university, and someone else has no letters after their name and has published 20 ground breaking papers on the topic that have been peer reviewed and shown to be correct as well as novel, then by all means you should be trusting the guy with no letters.

In the end when it comes to decided who is a more reliable source on any topic it isnt about the letters on their name but rather how much they have accomplished in their respective field that has been proven to be right by other experts and which demonstrates their abilities.

@10grans @akeno @madmike @Coyote

@freemo @Andrii @10grans @akeno @madmike

"how much they have accomplished in their respective field"

I don't know. Ph.D.s in hard sciences often accomplish little and gain wide acceptance for it (27th author on the RIGHT 3 papers from the right University).

While on the other hand, some MS Engineers I've met will blow your mind in a casual conversation, but can't really ever show much other than a "lesser" degree, and a lot of "confidential" work in employment history.

So, I don't put as much weight in the letters as I do the words and the structure of thought someone wields in conversation.

@Coyote

It depends, PhDs accomplish a hell of a lot in theory, they just suck at building the results you'd see.

I code a lot of machine learning stuff.. a HUGE portion of stuff ive implemented that has been extremely powerful was just me taking a PhD paper with some shitty code but a brilliant idea and turning it into a proper library.

Anyone who straddles the line between PhD and engineer and gets the computer science journals like ASIST or ACM will tell you its a constant stream of new, novel and useful (though often specialized) Ideas... yea 75% of it might be stupid stuff that is just interesting, but the other 25% has value.

I get the feeling you either read really shitty journals or dont really read specific journals at all (and just come across random articles that are the exception more than a the rule)... I urge you to go out, get a subscription to a well respected high quality journal in a field you can understand, and actually go through each months or quarters issue and one by one check out the papers.. they tend to all have a lot of value.

@10grans @akeno @madmike @Andrii

@freemo @10grans @akeno @madmike @Andrii

"I get the feeling you either read really shitty journals or don't really read specific journals at all"

OMG yes. If I had bandwidth and access to the paywalled content, not only would my "day" job be going 100% better, my fedi posts would probably cut down to like 4-5 a day, with something actually fucking useful, not jokes to start a conversation.

@Coyote

I hear ya.. two suggestions.

1) pick just a single high quality journal and pay for the subscription. Some journals arent that expensive 100$ for a whole year or something.

2) go to a library, a good library, especially one at a university, will give you free access to many journal databases.

@10grans @akeno @madmike @Andrii

@Moon

Scihub is good, though far from complete and legality is questionable for sure.

@10grans @akeno @madmike @Coyote @Andrii

@Moon

Neither do I.. unfortunately I do care about getting shot by a cop who cares about legality :)

@10grans @akeno @madmike @Coyote @Andrii

@freemo
Well you can just use my religious exemption. There is no copyright in the soul world. Copyright is just to keep down the proles.


@Moon @10grans @akeno @madmike @Coyote

@Andrii

As much as I would love to use the religious exemption excuse in the end I doubt it will make much of a difference as to whether i wind up in jail or worse.

Religious exemptions are actually not as easy to argue in court as just stating it as a religious beleif. It must actually be held by an organized religion and practiced by a large group of people as doctrine (there is a specific legal test for it)... So just believing in it religiously as a personal religious decision or interpretation wont mean squat to the courts.

@10grans @Moon @madmike @akeno @Coyote

@freemo
Yeah I donno where you at man. I Canada our Human Rights are like iron clad, free speech includes like everything as long as you do it on your private property. Our constitution is founded on the supremacy of God. There is no separation of church and state, and we have freedom of religion.

So it's like pretty safe to have faith here.

@10grans @Moon @madmike @akeno @Coyote

@Andrii

Yea I cant speak to canada. But in america we do have the religious freedoms act where religious beliefs can not get you in legal trouble. We just strictly define religious beleifs as needing to be part of an organized religion and not personal beliefs.

@10grans @Moon @madmike @akeno @Coyote

@freemo
Ah yeah that's pretty crappy for you then. In Canada religious beliefs can be completely personal, and don't need any organization or anything.

Like for example Jesus, and basically any mystic of any tradition does not have an organizational affiliation cause our higher-up is God, so I guess America doesn't want Jesus, I get ya. 🤷‍


@10grans @Moon @madmike @akeno @Coyote
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@Andrii

yes but can it give you exemption from the law (I doubt it)... can you go and steal someones car and say "my religion demands I steal cars".. my guess is no.

@10grans @Moon @madmike @akeno @Coyote

@freemo
well what you describe are service to self oreinted activities, which certainly some engage in on this planet, at the moment there are still many people who may be undecided, though this whole feardemic narrative has really helped polarize people.

Yeah Canadian law says it best, I'll have to quote it.
"Sincerity of belief is a question of fact. To establish sincerity, an individual must show that he or she sincerely believes that a certain belief or practice is required by his or her religion. The religious belief must be asserted in good faith and must not be fictitious, capricious or an artifice. In assessing the sincerity of the belief, a court will take into account, inter alia, the credibility of the testimony of the person asserting the particular belief and the consistency of the belief with his or her other current religious practices (Multani, supra at paragraph 35; Amselem, supra at paragraphs 52-53). It is the sincerity of the belief at the time of the interference, not its strength or absolute consistency over time, that is relevant at this stage of the analysis (R. v. N.S., [2012] 3 S.C.R. 726 at paragraph 13). "
https://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/csj-sjc/rfc-dlc/ccrf-ccdl/check/art2a.html

@10grans @Moon @madmike @akeno @Coyote
@freemo @10grans @Moon @madmike @akeno @Coyote "The Court does not want to engage in theological debates when examining the practice or belief in question. The practice or belief in question need not be required by official religious dogma nor need it be in conformity with the position of religious officials. Freedom of religion extends beyond obligatory doctrine to voluntary expressions of faith and is not restricted to major and recognizable religions (Amselem, supra at paragraphs 46-50, 53, and 56). A protected religious practice need not be part of an established belief system or even a belief shared by others. An individual need only demonstrate a sincere belief that the practice is of religious significance to him or her (Little v. R., 2009 NBCA 53, leave to appeal dismissed, [2009] S.C.C.A. No. 417 at paragraph 7). It is not appropriate to adduce expert evidence showing sincerity or lack thereof (Amselem, supra at paragraph 54)."
https://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/csj-sjc/rfc-dlc/ccrf-ccdl/check/art2a.html
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