Assuming you're American you can buy off Binance.US or Coinbase. Then withdraw it onto a wallet you control.
If you want to trade you should get a VPN and pretend to be a non-American so you can use a real exchange. This is satire and I'm not suggesting you do this because it's illegal and doing illegal things is wrong.
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gate.io is a "real exchange" that has more coins than even binance.com and is available to Americans.
Non-Americans have far greater access to financial products. American retail traders as the most regulated people on the planet. No one wants to work with Americans because they're legally problematic. Not just trading, but even getting a foreign bank account has implications that require reporting back to the IRS.
Cryptocurrency itself through DeFi apps directly provides margin, and gate.io provides both margin and futures as well. yes it has Monero as well. It has every coin you've heard of and quite a few you havent. The list is massive, like i said bigger than monero.
Positive I use them almost exclusively as my exchange of choice from America and am highly diversified in all sorts of crypto including some pretty obscure stuff.
I dunno what to tell you, I just know I am verified on gate.io and have access to all the features I mentioned.
Woa big spender.. Now that your in the crypto game I noticed you dropped a few leading zeros from your 10grans tips :)
@10grans @dave @moth @Atlas_Khan @crunklord420 @PestToast @likho @SADIDAS
@Moon tips me once in a while, I still like to pretend it's one of the things that makes fedi worth my time, so I spend it. You can thank Moon as well, without @10grans I probably wouldn't have even been thinking about it to look back into crypto at all. Been years since I looked at it.
I keep it in my hardware cryptowallet next to hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of investment crypto.. which makes me giggle.
@10grans @dave @moth @Atlas_Khan @crunklord420 @PestToast @likho @Moon @SADIDAS
What does a hardware wallet even cost? I mean, if I only have say $500 in crypto, why would I spend $500 on a wallet? (no idea how much they cost).
A hardware wallet can be as simple as a usb thumbdrive, it doesn't need to be something expensive with a display or anything.
"A hardware wallet can be as simple as a usb thumbdrive, it doesn't need to be something expensive with a display or anything."
That's fucking scary... I've moved so many times, and just on your average given day I open a drawer looking for a USB drive to try to pick one out of 10 I have that might work still... I trust my data on a USB drive LESS than I trust that the 3.5" floppy with the love letters from the first chick I was engaged to in the 90s are still readable emails. The temporary nature of data on a USB drive in my house... and durability (half of them have been stepped on at least twice)...
Not sure a hardware wallet is for me.
You dont need to rely on a single hardware wallet or thumb drive.. you can have multiple copies with no need to update them (the money doesnt actually sit on the wallet).
More over there is a 24 word seed phrase that if you save that on paper somewhere it can be used to regenerate your wallet even if you loose all data. However anyone who gets this 24 word phrase could steal all your money if you choose to save the phrase.
@10grans @dave @moth @Atlas_Khan @crunklord420 @PestToast @likho @Moon @SADIDAS
Yea, though if you are using a hardware wallet you have to write it down by hand, and with good reason (if the seed phrase were sent through USb and ultimately to a printer then it could be compromised on an insecure system).
@10grans @dave @moth @Atlas_Khan @crunklord420 @PestToast @likho @Moon @SADIDAS @Coyote
I have a fucking Armory fucking paper wallet saved somewhere as a PDF on a dead hard drive in my closet that I need to fucking do forensics on. I keep thinking, it's a nothing... It's a nothing... It's worth, maybe $200 now, not even enough to build the computer, get the equipment, to do forensics on 20 hard drives (NO idea which dead drive I lost data on that is on...) Someday.
But yea, Armory had paper wallets back in 2014. I lost one. Good shit. LOL.
You might be surprised... I had 100$ worth of crypto left on a hardware wallet from 2 years ago, when i found it it was worth 12,000$
@Atlas_Khan @icedquinn @PestToast @10grans @Moon @moth @dave @SADIDAS @crunklord420 @likho
I keep hearing those rumors. But, it was 2014, to the best of my memory, I was broke, and experimenting for about a year at that point, had a USB miner I got for like $50 on ebay, had it running about a week... Had my laptop (macbook air) mining, was thinking it was worth seeing "how it worked" but was bearly able to make it stable. I rememeber being on slushpool, and have since checked that account, nothing, empty, nota... And I know I was like "oh, I think I might have actually made a dollar or to, I gues it works, but it'll take forever to get my money back out of it, rich people who have hardware budgets can make money, not me"
Dumped it all on an Armory paper wallet, think it was worth like $4, maybe. Said, Fuck this shit.
Like 2017-18 maybe saw the PDF, opened it, went "wow, like $5, won't even cover transfer fees to get my money out" or some similar thought... Don't remember, just know I checked it some time around then, and was not impressed enough that it'd be worth the cost of lunch.
So... Yea, BEST case, that's worth... $400? Not enough to build a computer to find the wallet, and then try to open it.
If you made even a few dollars in 2014 and it is on that drive it is worth tens of thousands now, seriously!
@Atlas_Khan @icedquinn @PestToast @10grans @Moon @moth @dave @SADIDAS @crunklord420 @likho
Bitcoin was a few hundred even at the low end in 2014. If his $4 was at that price then it might be worth $800 now. But definitely not tens of thousands.
@Coyote @Atlas_Khan @icedquinn @PestToast @10grans @Moon @moth @SADIDAS @crunklord420 @likho
I was basing it off ethereum not bitcoin, but you are right he probably meant bitcoin. At the end of 2014 bitcoin was worth 300$, now it is 60000, so 200x gain. so yea ballpart of 800$ or 1000$ is reasonable.
@icedquinn @10grans @moth @Atlas_Khan @crunklord420 @PestToast @likho @Moon @SADIDAS @Coyote
And, add in "revisionist history" self doubt. If I think I had $2, it was probably $0.20. So, Realistically, IMHO, it's worth maybe $100...
"If you made even a few dollars in 2014 and it is on that drive it is worth tens of thousands now, seriously!"
yes, which is why I think I probably didn't. I doubt it's even a few dollars then. If that were the case, then my slushpool account would have some activity history worth viewing... Let me login and see if i can get a screenshot, if THAT can even show fucking $100 off worth on the drive in today's dollars, I'll order a drive to start pulling data in and move the sleds around in my Mac Pro...
Pretty sure I'm not smart enough to have hedged my bets and left a significant amount on the wallet... And smart enough that I did the math before, and it didn't seem worth it... But admit I'm dumb enough that my memory sure isn't going to dictate if I try it or not, I'm going to run the experiment, where's my slushpool login...
@Coyote @Atlas_Khan @icedquinn @10grans @Moon @moth @dave @SADIDAS @freemo @crunklord420 @likho if the hard drive spins up, you can get a usb adapter for probably less than $20. You don't have to build a whole new computer
Yea, I have a few of those, it's the fact that I have dozens of drives from 200G to multi-drive multi-terabite ZFS pools that I need to recover, because I went "yea, I got everything of that, nuke it... Whoops... And nothing to transfer any of that shit onto right now other than 2ea <1TB SSDs for my Mac Pro. I probably need ~$300 worth of SATAs for a ZFS/RAID disk to save all that shit to, then I can start plugging shit into a USB transfer, and finding, coping shit... Which, takes... FUCKING WEEKS... done it before, sucks... not looking forward to weeks of data dumps of anchent bullshit work and memes to find a pdf either. ... (Rick Sanchez voice)...
@Coyote @Atlas_Khan @icedquinn @10grans @Moon @moth @dave @SADIDAS @freemo @crunklord420 @likho ah, I see. That's umderstandable. If there's anything that you really do want to try to recover and need temporary storage, BestBuy has a 14 day return policy.
@10grans @Atlas_Khan @Moon @PestToast @SADIDAS @crunklord420 @dave @freemo @likho @moth
nah, he said it was worth a few bucks in 2014. At most it's like 15 mBTC.
@Coyote @10grans @Moon @PestToast @SADIDAS @crunklord420 @freemo @icedquinn @likho @moth
If, (and it's NEVER going to happen), that were true, I'd be happy to see if I could negotiate for a large enough section of land in Baja with the Mexican government to start a 2a sanctuary community on the beach?
@Coyote @10grans @Moon @PestToast @SADIDAS @crunklord420 @dave @freemo @likho @moth
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@Coyote @Atlas_Khan @icedquinn @10grans @Moon @moth @dave @SADIDAS @freemo @crunklord420 @likho lol it's funny that this is a reply to a crypto-merchant image
I didn't even notice until you pointed it out.
@Coyote @Atlas_Khan @icedquinn @10grans @Moon @moth @SADIDAS @freemo @crunklord420 @likho
Negotiate with PEOPLE... (*cough*cartel*cough*federali*cough*politician*cough*SammyHagar*CoughCough420cough2a) GET OFF OF MY LAWN!
mfw ancient gaul was armed to the teeth and it took the largest militarized mafia in europe several generations of cultural hedonism and subversion to actually take it over
@10grans @Atlas_Khan @Moon @PestToast @SADIDAS @crunklord420 @dave @freemo @likho @moth
Yeah, if you're a law-abiding citizen there's only one store in the entire country where you can legally buy guns.
@Coyote @10grans @Moon @PestToast @SADIDAS @crunklord420 @freemo @icedquinn @likho @moth
"You dont need to rely on a single hardware wallet or thumb drive.. you can have multiple copies with no need to update them (the money doesnt actually sit on the wallet)."
I trust myself so little with my own ability to preserve data locally, that right now I'm reading a how-to on how to put FreeNAS on a Digital Ocean droplet, and if I can build my own VPN (maybe with wireguard).
So, I'm ok with someone of my crypto, which I won't put any money that isn't already almost disposable, into accounts online, without buying a hardware wallet, i think. Ask me again when I have over $1k in crypto. I think it's a scaling issue re-crypto-investment. ?
wallets are really just encryption keys.