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Derek Chauvin (The murderer of #GeorgeFloyd) has just officially been convicted of murder by the grand jury, finally justice!
@ChristiJunior LAWL, ok buddy.. i mean the dude was literally caught red handed murdering someone.. The guy was dead (or at least unconscious) and the man continued to strangle him for another 4 minutes and physically stopped other cops from checking on his safety... There is no sane reason anyone could side witht he cop on this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2d2-iK5Dcy0
@coolboymew
Who said anything about relaxing. Once he was immobile you cuff his feet and hands, no relaxing needed. There is no excuse for strangling a man for 4 minutes after he is unconscious.
@ChristiJunior
He strangled him with his knee, yea he strangled him.. and even once he was told by his fellow officer he didnt have a pulse (effectively was dead) he continued to sit on either his neck or chest for another 3 minutes and refused to let his fellow officer help him when asked...
now ay you can justify it, none.
Incorrect, in fact you dont even need a knee, you can use a rope or pretty much any means that constrict the neck and prevents breathing. Dictionary definition of the word strangle:
squeeze or constrict the neck of (a person or animal), especially so as to cause death.
I'm going to help you out here. Take your hand. Put it on your neck. Squeeze, (not too hard!) do you feel that bone in the back? That's called your SPINE.
His head was tilted to the side and his knee was on the neck from the side... yes of course its possible.. In fact much worse as it can cut off blood flow to the brain as well (that is were the artery that supplies the brain is at)..
Your also arguing a pretty stupid point.. his knee was on his neck and he was also sitting on his back to compress his chest for most of that. Its pretty obvious that would cause anyone to struggle to breath.. combine that with the fact that a fellow officer (who are trained in being able to take a persons pulse in their CPR training) clearly stated chauvin had no pulse (effectively was dead) and Chauvin continued to sit on him and compress his chest and neck for 3 minutes after being told the man's heart stopped.
There is literally no way you can justify his actions or intent, none.
16% of the time this hold has historically resulted in unconsciousness. Moreover Chauvin was told the man's heart stopped by his fellow officer who took his pulse so he knew the man had died and/or he had killed him and when the officer tried to offer to begin life saving procedures Chauvin refused to get off him and instead continued to sit on his neck and chest for almost another 3 minutes... so it is very clear when he is sitting ont he chest of a man whom he knows his heart isnt beating for nearly 3 more minutes that his intent is for that man to be dead.
I dont watch any "media" of any kind, as strict rule. I only watched the uncut content of the case skipped over commentary. So no.
I dont think the defense lied too much. The bigger is everything they said was noise and didnt change the one core fact that made Chauvin guilty as hell.
He sat on his neck and chest strangling him.. When he went completely limp he continued to strangle him for 4 more moneys, at that point he is already guilty as you know if your strangling someone and they go unconscious death is next, the proper course of action for anyone at this point who doesnt intentionally want to kill someone would be to handcuff their feet and hands to completely immobilize them and get off them. Instead he continued to strangle him, a minute later a fellow police officer trained tot ake a pulse and in CPR informed Chauvin that Floyd's heart stopped entirely and that he should try to resuscitate him. Chauvin refused and would not let him do so and remained sitting on his chest for almost another full 3 minutes.
Nothing else changes this core fact and it makes it undeniable that the intent was to murder. What possible excuse is there to continue to sit on the chest of a man whose heart isnt beating a refuse the please of a fellow officer and a certified nurse to allow them to give him CPR?
@buttered_poasties @Weedle @ChristiJunior @sickburnbro @coolboymew
What I described were the events on the video.. "framing" from either side doesnt change the fact that what I just said was a literal explanation of what is clearly heard and seen on the video and nothing else.
Framing wont change those facts so why should they change my opinion?
@buttered_poasties @Weedle @ChristiJunior @sickburnbro @coolboymew
@freemo @realcaseyrollins @buttered_poasties @Weedle @ChristiJunior @sickburnbro @coolboymew I’m not entirely sure that your description is accurate, but you certainly seem to, so your opinion makes sense.
@realcaseyrollins@counter.fedi.live
What part of my description isnt accurate? I mean I can point to whatever part in the video that shows every point I described and easily show you were each event happened. I cant imagine anyone can interpret any of it different since it was all captured rather clearly.
@ChristiJunior @buttered_poasties @sickburnbro @Weedle @coolboymew @realcaseyrollins@social.teci.world
@realcaseyrollins@social.teci.world
I never claimed why he died, it isnt relevant, I said he was strangled, not that he died due to be strangled... Even if he died because of the medications, that fact that cauvin continued to strangle him 3 minutes after his fellow officer told him that Floyd's heart stopped stil tells me he intended the man dead. Even if he didnt kill him he sure as hell made sure he stayed dead and refused to let others help resuscitate him. So he is still guilty even if what you say is true, not is what you say in contrast to anything i said.
@buttered_poasties @Weedle @ChristiJunior @sickburnbro @realcaseyrollins@counter.fedi.live @coolboymew
@realcaseyrollins@counter.fedi.live
I never said hold him down was wrong.. I said once he was informed by someone trained in taking a pulse and giving CPR that the man's heart stopped then there was no justification of any kind fo rhim sitting on the man and refusing a fllow cop from delivering CPR.
What do you feel justifies sitting on a mans chest that doesnt have a heart beat and blocking others from giving CPR?
@ChristiJunior @buttered_poasties @sickburnbro @Weedle @coolboymew @realcaseyrollins@social.teci.world
@realcaseyrollins@counter.fedi.live
If that were true then why didnt he take the 5 seconds it takes to put leg and hand cuffs on him then get off? That would alleviate all his feas of a dead guy coming ack to life and running away, and being unconscious would have been trivial to do.
So considering he coud have easily addressed all those concerns your argument basically boils dow to "He was scared he might come back to life"... in other words, wanted him dead and to stay dead.
@ChristiJunior @buttered_poasties @sickburnbro @Weedle @coolboymew @realcaseyrollins@social.teci.world
@freemo @ChristiJunior @buttered_poasties @sickburnbro @Weedle @coolboymew @realcaseyrollins Read what I wrote.
Hint: people in fear don’t take chances.
As much as I would like to hope there is a way to reverse this, the amount of social capital required to do that is not available.
The chaos of the 60s was the last time this nation was able to stuff its shit back in, but we are poorer, more fractured and less trusting.
@sickburnbro @realcaseyrollins @ChristiJunior @Weedle @buttered_poasties @coolboymew @freemo Yeah. I don’t even want to buy a car that’s not a #Tesla because of the ridiculous antiquity of its design, which lends to it needing so much repair and maintenance. But in general I haven’t bought anything like that and worried about repairability.
@realcaseyrollins@counter.fedi.live
Yes, and not sure how you can be scared of someone whose heart isnt beating. That excuse only holds any water up until his heart stopped, after that it ceases to be a valid excuse.
@ChristiJunior @buttered_poasties @sickburnbro @Weedle @coolboymew @realcaseyrollins@social.teci.world
Seen quit a few. I have not objected to anything they did while he was alive and resisting arrest (even though he never took a swing or attacked the officers I still gave them the benefit of the doubt). But again once your told a man's heart has stopped there is no excuse for his actions.
@realcaseyrollins@counter.fedi.live @ChristiJunior @buttered_poasties @Weedle @coolboymew @realcaseyrollins@social.teci.world
Yes he would have been not guilty if he had acted that way.
@realcaseyrollins@counter.fedi.live @ChristiJunior @buttered_poasties @sickburnbro @coolboymew @realcaseyrollins@social.teci.world
Because when we talk about things like murder, especially 2nd degree murder, intent matters.
The case was not about if he caused the death, it is about if he intended to cause death or if death was due to negligence on his part. If he caused the death and that deathw as neither due to negligence or intent then he wasnt guilty of the charges at hand.
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