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@Secftblgirl Why is it ineffective for the general public, but effective for health care providers? Why does it only stop the spread of the disease when used by one person but not when used by the other?
@freemo @Secftblgirl Vegans, vaxxers, anti-maskers... they always let you know
The 5 ways face masks work even though the virus is small enough to pass through them
https://www.luca-dellanna.com/face-masks-work/
Masks DO work, when used properly... you do understand viruses being able to pass through them individually is competely irrelevant. If a virus is on its own just floating around it is 100% dead. Viruses can only live inside droplets of water/liquid. As such the question is if a droplet of water can pass through them.
Right, as that link states, masks reduce the probability of transmission. Thats what we mean when we say "work"
@freemo @Secftblgirl Peter Hotez, dean of the National School of Tropical Medicine at Baylor College of Medicine says, “Ideally, you want an antiviral vaccine to do two things... 1st, reduce the likelihood you will get severely ill & go to the hospital (aka personal protection), 2, prevent infection and therefore interrupt disease transmission (aka R0).”...Moderna’s chief medical officer even admitted that, “Our trial will not demonstrate prevention of transmission.” https://noagendasocial.com/@noagendashownoteslinks/106350590604873374
Ok now the real question, can you spot why that isnt saying what you just implied it said.
All they said was that a specifc trial they did did not test transmissability (;laregely because thats very hard to test in a trial). He did **not** state that the vaccine did not effect transmissability nor that other studies did not answer this question.
@freemo @Secftblgirl You might have heard from other countries that “the vast majority of people hospitalised with Covid are unvaccinated”.
Well, that’s not true for Israel.
https://arieh.substack.com/p/inside-israels-delta-outbreak-part
Ok, and do you understand why that cherry picked country has that trend? Hint, they have one of the highest vaccination rates. Whent he vast majority of your country is vaccinated then you should **expect** most people who are hospitalized to have been vaccinated, especially when administration is sill in process and most people havent gotten all their doses yet.
It takes simple logic to understand why. Imagine you have a vaccine that is 99% effective and 100% of your population is vaccinated. In that case 100% of people who get the disease will be vaccinated even with 99% effective rate.
PLEASE, instead of just spewing data that remotely sounds like it supports a position take time to understand it and why people who know statistics can easily, trivially, debunk it.
60% of its population but 90% of the people over 50, which is the age group susceptible to being hospitalized.
Sadly js290 just tends to spew links and never explains what point he is trying to make with any particular link, so its mostly just noise. But based on his past comments I took his stance to most likely be that the vaccine causes infection or some other conspiracy theory nonsense. But I can only speculate since he behaves the way he does.
yea @freemo, @js290@justicewarrior.social’s antithesis is a bit misleading, fromthe article the vaccine still has 93% (approx 13/14) effectiveness against serious symptoms so I’d say it’s much much better than nothing but ain’t good enough for us to live with. I imagine with this figure we’d have 10x morality rate of Dengue which transmits through mosquitoes but still cause a shit show in the tropics. Maybe countries with better healthcare can put up with it.
@cnx Yea my issue isnt so much with the article as it is with js290's summary and implied agenda by stating "most people in the hospital due to covid were vaccinated"... obviously I dont think that statement boils down to "The vaccine is slightly less effective than we thought".
@cnx 1) personal protection, 2) R0 and to what degree the various interventions address 1) & 2), respectively... https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1416141437389914119?s=20
@freemo, I think the article @js290 shared was on point, it didn’t said the vaccine was ineffective, but rather not as effective as we initially expected w/o other measures. Plus, Isreal has only vaccinated slightly over 60% of its population.