@bluejay While generally I agree with you the military does not, and should not, have their free will. They forfeit that when they sign up. Its why they can put you in jail just for quiting the military (AWOL) without their permission.

You can have a fighting force entering a foreign country and being able to be wiped out simply from its native diseases. This is doubly true when you consider the close-nit nature of the military, disease would spread like wildfire.

@freemo @bluejay informed consent does not have exemptions but for being medically incapacitated.

@icedquinn

They already gave consent when they signed up to the military.

@bluejay

@freemo @bluejay that's literally not how informed consent works.

@icedquinn it literallys is. That is why we can do druug tests without informing the patient whats in the drug. They agree to take the drug without knowing ahead of time what it is.

@bluejay

@freemo @bluejay no, it's not.

you have to be told you are going in to a clinical trial, and what the potential dangers of this might be (incl. being part of the placebo group.)

this is not some shrinkwrap shit i can hide on page 500 of the EULA and then jab you with cyanide and go "BUT FREEMO CLICKED I AGREE "

@freemo @bluejay i can guarantee you the recruiter does not fulfill the obligations of informed consent and tell everyone they're trying to get to sign

by the way, you're a government slave now we reserve the right to test any random shit we come up with in our garage and by signing this form you consent irrevocably to be tested on.

oh yeah, Nuremberg actually says someone can refuse to continue experimenting *at any time*

So not only is it ethically bankrupt its a war crime.

@icedquinn@blob.cat @freemo@qoto.org @bluejay@qoto.org i mean it has been fully FDA approved which is why they are mandating it now (at least Pfizer version has)

@icedquinn@blob.cat @freemo@qoto.org @bluejay@qoto.org nobody's mandating vaccines for the entirety of the public. it's only schoolchildren who go to actual public schools in some states and perhaps businesses and other public officies, which is quite frankly 100% reasonable as long as they allow medical exemptions from doctors (allergies, high risk, etc etc)

@kayden they actually are, but they're doing it in this shitty indirect method where they try to get the corpos to mandate it that way they don't have to face a constitutional crisis over it.

@freemo @bluejay

@icedquinn

Agreed, and frankly its one of the disgusting patterns the liberal government tends to repeat over and over again in so many categories, and I say that as someone who leans slightly liberal myself.

They do it with guns too, the second amendment clearly states "shall not be infringed", but since they cant get the amendment changed since they cant get enough support they just violate it all together and try to get enough leverage in the supreme court they can bypass it.

When they cant do it the way the law requires they will use any underhanded methods they want to get their way. Its very childish of them (not that conservatives are any better, but they have entirely different issues).

@kayden @bluejay