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@matrix Its almost like living in a society that treats you unfairly, makes it harder to be financially successful, and causes you to be likely to be born into a life of poverty might possibly influence a persons perpencity towards crime.... who wulda thunk.
How would that be putting my money where my mouth is? You seem to be having a real hard time with reading comprehension or something, it almost sounds likeyou think I said (which I didnt) that blacks dont make up a large portion of those committing crime? In fact since the get go I admitted that they do.
Try reading things before you post, if you already are then read them twice because you seem to be having some difficulty absorbing what you read accurately.
@StroopWaffen While not specific to those neighboorhoods I already do volunteer in high-crime high-black neighborhoods. They have mostly embraced me with open arms as you suggest.
@StroopWaffen There are many factors. Black communities internally certainly have things they are doing that arent helping that should be addressed. There are also outside factors that need addressing. Then there are the historic ones. Despite what either side will tell you the problem is very complex and while racism towards blacks is an element it is far from the only element at play. A lot of things need to come together from a lot of angles to improve the conditions of any culture.
The future of black communities is uncertain honestly. Internally there are people trying to make positive change, and there are externally too. But the problem is reduced by politics and being politically correct to such an extreme degree that it becomes impossible to really carve out effective solutions, our hands are tied by politically correctness as well as a rejection of the problem even existing, and many other factors. It is hard to address the internal changes blacks need to made without being called a racist, for example, as if it is blaming them for the problem. But also whites tend to refuse to address the racism they impart because at the same time they feel like it is blamming them for the problem. So nothing gets done.
If we stopped arguing about who is to blame (which is all anyone did in this thread) and focus on how to solve the problem without regard to blame we could really make some progress. But society doesnt allow this and the direction its going is farther away from this state.
So... yea, things will probably get worse before they get better when it comes to racial issues.
As a group Blacks to not want to live live like we do. Their only hope is segregation and self rule, maybe the more disciplined and well-meaning can rise to the top. But I doubt it.
@StroopWaffen Most black countries were literally owned by white countries and abused for most of history until only very recently. In fact if you take a casual look at the GDP of various african nations you can easily spot a pattern where the nations that remained largely independent have a higher GDP than nations that were once ruled by white conquering nations and only later allowed to be free (after having much of their resources and culture stripped). This is hardly a coincidence.
Its really idiotic to describe Africans as primitive and aggressive when whites were the overwhelming majority of nations that abused tortured the black nations throughout history (yes it goes both ways but to a much lesser extent)... then having the gaull to say "see all these nations we used to own and treated cruelly, look how primitive they are, clearly black people have issues".
GDP, poverty, historical conquest... none of these things have to do with "I'm going to rape a woman on the SEPTA train" or "I'm not going to stick around and support my kid".
@StroopWaffen You do realize the African country with the highest homicide rate is also the african country with the highest percentage of white population right?
You really should actually look at the statistics before you make them up.
@StroopWaffen As with most things, it isnt that simple. But you made an assertion, and that assertion is wrong. You claimed black people have the highest violence rate and yet the opposite is true, the country in africa with the largest number of **white** people has the highest murders and the country with the lowest portion of white people have the least murders. Literally you said a statistical observation where the opposite is true.
Now if you want to try to backpeddle and claim the opposite statistics still happen to make the same point for you that you thought they were making when it was reversed, go for it... but that tells me you arent working off the evidence at all, you already decided your conclusion and are instead trying to get the evidence to fit your answer.
@freemo @StroopWaffen so you’re saying white people are doing the murders in Africa. You’re also objectively wrong as Lesotho has a higher murder rate than South Africa does. Now tell me more about the white Lesotho population committing those murders.
Never said anything of the sort. I am only illustrating that he made a claim to a statistical fact and asserted that it proved blacks were intrinsically violent. I pointed out the actual statistics is the exact opposite of what he claimed, nothing more.
I also pointed out the fact that he drew the same conclusion from when he thought the statistics were the exact opposite of what they actually were means he isnt using the data to drive his conclusions but rather already made a conclusion and will try to insist the data fits it regardless of what that data actually says. Thus showing he isnt making objective conclusions based on the data in the first place, he already knew what conclusion he wanted to make and is trying to find data to fit it.
I have said 3 times now that I neither dispute it or not. I am pointing out that you made a claim of statistics that you asserted proved your point. The statistics proved to be the exact opposite of what you claimed, and you insisted it still proves your point. Thus demonstrating your inability to be objective in your analysis.
@freemo @StroopWaffen That’s not how statistics work though.
@freemo @StroopWaffen he didn’t bring up statistics though, you did. You were also wrong. Lesotho has a higher murder rate than South Africa. Why aren’t you talking about Lesotho?
@freemo @StroopWaffen So then who is committing the murders in South Africa?
@freemo @StroopWaffen so are you saying that white people are doing the murders or that it’s okay for black people to murder because at one time white people didn’t want to live around black people?
@freemo @StroopWaffen then why bring up apartheid in a discussion on the murder rate in South Africa and who is doing those murders and why?
>Being forced to live in different neighborhoods 30 years ago justifies murder today.
Are you jewish?
-it’s not that simple goyyyy! *vomits out Jewish neoliberal apologetics*
Long live AWB, Terre’Blanche and Barend “White Wolf” Strydom
There's no need to be aggressive, I'm not trying to be argumentative. Do you really believe that the correlation equates to causation in the case of South Africa?
@StroopWaffen I wouldnt make that claim. this is **your** logical framework. You claimed that more blacks = more violence and more whites = less violence, not me. I just happened to show that whether you beleived the data was what it really was or the exact opposite that in both cases you tried to weave an explanation that justified your conclusion either way. Showing you arent actually reasoning about your conclusion at all, you are trying desperately to cherry pick data to fit it (and failing).
@freemo @StroopWaffen So then who is committing the violence in South Africa? The only reason to bring up white people in South Africa in a discussion on which countries are the most violent is to make the implication that the violence is being committed by someone who isn’t black. You can’t logic trap your way out of engaging with reality.
Stroopwaffen is the one who brought up the idea that the density of white to black people in africa was a determinant for violent, not me. Since Im not the one who brought it up (I only pointed out the statistics he claimed were the exact opposite of what he said it is) perhaps im not the one you should be asking.
@StroopWaffen @freemo It was real in his mind
@freemo @StroopWaffen He didn’t though. You brought up the homicide rate in Africa.
@freemo @StroopWaffen so since you brought it up who is doing the murders in South Africa?
@StroopWaffen @freemo he’s doing a tactical nihilism by trying to deconstruct your “framework”. He’s basically doing a formalism.
@StroopWaffen @freemo Notice by the way he treats this as some binary reality, where because South Africa has white people and a high murder rate he gets to ignore every single other country that doesn’t have a white population and still maintains a high murder rate like Lesotho (whose rate is higher than South Africa’s) or the Central African Republic.
Actually no, I originally stated in my response other countries with no whites. Pointing out the countries that had the fewest white people had the least crime as well.
What i did do was imply it was a caustive correlation (that was the other guy). The causation is less direct. The countries with the highest count of whites are the countries that were at one point were owned by white countries. This historic fact is why they were poorer (stripped of resources and culture) and therefore have higher violence. The white percentage is actually secondary to that in my interpritation. But I never stated that, I was mostly pointing out the failure in Stroops assertion that more blacks means more violence, which apparently he finds a way to justify even when the statistics turn out to be the exact opposite of what he originally stated.
@freemo @StroopWaffen And yet Lesotho has a higher homicide rate than South Africa and Central African Republic doesn’t have white people. So who is doing the murders in those counties and why?
Lesotho is unique being a country completely within another country...in South Africa
@Diesel_Waffen @StroopWaffen @freemo you have no frame of reference here, Donny. You’re like a child who wanders into the middle of a movie
>Pointing out the countries that had the fewest white people had the least crime
That's just because there is nobody there to count the murders or keep statistics
Did African tribes create anything, any innovation, a civilization comparable to Roman, Sino-Japanese, Mesopotamian, or Aztec societies?
Is Liberia, and Haiti a great example of a African nation?
Did they have a stable system maintaining the family unit?
Condidering that one of a civilization's requirements needs to be monogamous.
Seeing the meme that these people have no fathers, thats more dysfunctional than the Great Apes.
Why do they have to over brutalize a tribal rival?
Rebember the Rwanda Genocide?
Why do in South Africa has posters (by the Britisn) that tells Africans not to rape, even in their communities?
Something that we have to deal that in America, Calibre, and Brazil.
Have you seen the photos of the riots in South Africa and how Africans brutalized Boer farmers?
I saw a terrifying photo that a dead woman that was brutalized and stabbed by a cross, that's the most satanic and subhuman behavior that I seen.
That behavior justifies the slogan, "TOTAL N----R D---H".
@freemo @StroopWaffen could that be because it’s the white people who are being murdered or are you seriously suggesting that the white people are committing those murders?