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@hans_w

Gene editing on humans is certainly a can of worms, but the ethics there are a bit less direct. Its more about a slipper slope than the effects of any one person making the decision.

It is particularly hairy when your modifying your kid who is too young to consent but will be effected by a lifetime. But at least with gene editing, for the most part it is done in the best interest of the child, with an abortion you cant really make that argument,in fact very much the opposite, sacrificing the child for the good of the parent.

@icedquinn @lucifargundam

@freemo @hans_w @lucifargundam
i would start with specifying human derived conscious entities are classified as human for the purpose of law, then ban patenting of humanoids.

then maybe we can talk.

@icedquinn

We are no where near ethically mindful enough as a species to engage in gene editing ethically. Sadly we **are** quickly approaching the point where gene editing is necessary for the species to thrive at all. It is a dangerous cross roads to be at for sure.

@hans_w @lucifargundam

@freemo i don't really see anybody taking it seriously. i do know that since we're not killing ambitious people they're going to keep doing this in secret and keep polling the public every other year until they finally get approval slipped through.

the tinfoils seem to be concerned about and debating what happens when a company issues a patented gene therapy and that results in RNA/DNA modifications if that person still qualifies as human and what to do about it

otherwise we're pretty much facing ethics lip service while everyone preps designer babies in the basement.

@hans_w @lucifargundam

@icedquinn

Agreed this is an issue that no one is really addressing well. People either oppose gene editing all together, or take no issue with the current ethics and application and wheres its heading. I dont see any solutions that actually pave a way forward for ethical gene editing on humans.

Then again we seem to have an ethics breakdown recently in the most general sense that is headed towards a train wreck to. The ethically minded have educed everything to such extremes as to be self destructive meanwhile everyone else is so sick of being called a racist for nonsense that they are in full on "fuck you" mode. In the interim the ethical norm in the world slips farther and farther behind.

@hans_w @lucifargundam

@freemo @icedquinn @hans_w @lucifargundam Necessary how? If they ever do anything nearing an extinction event, people will be more willing to storm DC and actually stop the people responsible, and that''ll happen years before anyone discovers a way to edit genes in a way that doesn't just erase people's long term immunities.

Pastoral dome townships will be achieved long before an "improvement" is found with MRNA.
@PorkCow not mrna, crispr. we have a lot of people who have pinkie promised not to use crispr on humans but we know that's lip service :blobcatsmirk:

@freemo @hans_w @lucifargundam

@PorkCow

It is neccesary due to how genes evolve and work overtime. As medical science is able to treat genetic disease better and give someone a normal lifespan with an otherwise debilitating disease then that disease is no longer selected against very strongly and can proliferate throughout society.

So the end result of modern medical science is, over time, genetic diseases becoming more common until you have a future where everyone is wheelchair bound with cerebral palsy, half blind and only able to see with medical devices and effectively on life support from the first day of their life. This gives a rather concerning quality of life for future humans if we dont ethically implement gene editing before it gets to that point.

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