Dear Americans: These people really believe they own your children
https://notthebee.com/article/dear-americans-they-believe-they-own-your-children
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@waltercool we live in a democracy, you can vote for whatever leaders of your local and national educational system you want. beyond that most parents wouldnt know the first thing about most subjects to even know what or how to teach it or what is important. You can pull out your kid and homeschool them however you want. But in the end if you want your kid to earn a degree this assumes they are able to successfully master all the major subjects adequetly. You have control as to how they learn, but you cant just make up fictions and expect someone to certify your child with a degree in subjects they dont understand.
I'd like our children to know just how little the pompous lying professors have actually contributed to civilizations. They are truly noble liars, eager to hide their past, and steal the work of others.
You say on a computer on the internet, literally invented by, implemented, and proven by professors.
Umm Charles Babbage was a professor, Lucasian Professor of Mathematics at Cambridge to be specific.
Ada lovelace did not invent computers, she predicted the possibility of them, but did not create them in any meaningful sense.
The first electronic computer was ENIAC and it was built at the university of pennsylvania by a collection of professors. Later the first internet was also built by and refined by professors to interconnect universities.
Literally all the final pieces that made the computer possible, its assembling, and making it work, were all done by professors.
I mean hell if you just stated Babbage was the inventor and he was a professor as well.
We have not even begun to tell the history of the malfeasance of fraud of our "professors". No profession, not even the mafia, has committed more fraud.
Repeating your incorrect assertion with no supporting facts to a reply that lays out in detail counterexamples to your assertion does nothing to support your case. In fact all it shows is that you arent reading or considering the facts at all and just repeating like a parrot a conclusion you made without due consideration of the facts at all.
Similar dialogue:
The world is flat!
::here are a bunch of things that prove the world is flat::
The world is round is a fraud, its flat!
Simply repeating over and over you think something is wrong when given actual counter examples you dont address is just about the weakest argument one could attempt to make in any context.,
Charles Babbage was a professor
He was inventor and engineer as well. He didn’t created the analytic machine as “professor” (1828-1839), but lot before that (1823).
The first electronic computer was ENIAC
It’s a hard take, depend what you define “a computer”. Computing as understood nowadays (programmable computer) was mostly fueled at WW2 for encryption and codebreaking mostly, way before ENIAC (1945)
And of course, university teachers done a lot, after all, Cold War made very wealthy universities with research funding.
Picture: Colossus computer, 1943
First off how does it matter if Babbage first began thinking and talking about computers a few years before he was a professor. He continued the work well into the course of him being a professor... The argument here, and an absurd one, is that professors have never accomplished anything. This is wrong and trying to do mental acrobatics to suggest all the accomplishments by professors somehow dont count is nonsense. Either these people are smart and well acomplished or not, period. Clearly they are.
Second ENIAC being used for encryption or anything else is not relevant to the discussion. Does not change the fact that it was built by professors in an academic setting, the rest is just noise to the point of the success (or lack there of) of professors. It isnt even clear what your arguing at this point.
As for earlier machines that are mechanical in nature and produce some output, I explicitly stated "electronic computer". The fact that there was knowledge and devices that preceded it and were inspirational and neccesary to its creation is great, but again adds nothing to the point of fact being made here that professors made ENIAC.
I honestly cant even tell what your arguing against or why other than "I must hate everything academic so let me just try and fail to make random arguments and muddy the water". Yes inventions come from a long history of incremental innovation, so what, point is professors were the bulk of the people who took the steps that moved us from mechanical devices to electronic computers and then finally to electronic networking. The rest is just noise.
@freemo @polarisera I’m just saying professors likely contributed very little until 80s (with mass production)
Computers were designed as mathematics-engineering concept, but computing history was mostly funded with war economy until 70s. For that period of time, Internet was already a thing thanks to DARPA at 60s.
We may agree, “but teachers did most of computers that time”, of course, but not thanks to them, but thanks to military for “giving money” to do specifically that. Space race specially gave ton of money to universities.
As we already covered Babbage was the originator of the idea, and according to you one of only two people you listed as being worthy of being called the inventor, and was literally a professor. While the idea came to him before being a professor most of his work was done refining and publishing his ideas as a professor.
So even in your own example trying to assert professors did very little prior to the 80's you contradicted yourself.
The fact is the overwhelming majority of people who contributed to the invention of the computer from atleast the 1800s onward were all professors and did the bulk of their work as a professor.
Even the argument about the government funding it is very weak.. First off, who cares where the money came from, that doesnt act as a counter argument to the fact that professors did the work and thus demonstrates their capability... Two professors were the dominate driving force from at least the 1800s onward in refining the ideas leading up to computers so your point is moot anyway, as we covered even your primary example from the 1800s of the founder of computers was a professor and did most of his work on computers from such a position.
@freemo @waltercool @polarisera Not to be rude, but this is the argument that both parties are missing by focusing on splitting hairs within the minutia: >Them: the water source is poisoned! Everyone, stop drinking it! >You: Why do you hate water??
Any argument about professors being valuable to society and humanity is a distraction, right now.
Not rude at all, I agree any argument about professors value is not important. So why are you addressing me and not the person who brought that up to which I only responded?
@freemo @polarisera @waltercool Cool, thanks for being reasonable. I’ll try to answer as same. Most people in the thread were on the side of “OMG HOMESCHOOL YOUR KIDS!” and you were, from what my glancing caught, the only one taking a counter stance. That’s why I singled you out (because I didn’t notice ant others to include). The reason I felt you were taking that stance was because it seemed your argument was coming from assuming they were just saying school is bad because there is no such thing as a good public education (or educators). While we do see that hyperbole tossed around a lot, I felt that it was merely an emotion-based extrapolation (or whatever) of the base starter argument (modern public education is a poisoned well/spring/river and drinking from it is surely death, so let’s look elsewhere).
I hope that answers your question and I hope it maybe provides some extra clarity regarding this. But, I also wanted to acknowledge that both you and the others brought up some good points about professors.
@freemo @polarisera Well, it was invented by scientists (Charles Babbage and Ada Lovelace)
Then implemented by companies for purely scientific purposes, then mass produced by Silicon Valley’s entrepreneurs.
Professors have not much to do here, until late 80s with MIT.