@skypage It only infringes on the liberty of the person being harmed (which i stated).. the person doing the harming however has a maximum amount of liberty, it just happens to be at the expense of someone elses liberty.

In fact if you give everyone liberty you can not give them a maximal amount of liberty because as you point out the only way everyone can have liberty is if it is a **moderate** amount of liberty where it doesnt include murder.