New megathread to discuss #UFOI's hate speech rule here.

Tagging in only @ufoi so that people who don't care about this won't get roped into the thread.

@realcaseyrollins @ufoi I'm fine with the conversation but I'm opposed to organize to sanction other instances. I fully understand this is an attempt to make it a more fair process but it's not hard for the individual to just block the instance themselves. This movement could alienate 1000's & watching how things usually work when people get organized, it has always gotten more extreme as time passes.

From snowflakes to free speech extremists, I want to know them all & try to build a bridge of peace between us all.

#socialjustice #socialmedia #UFOI

@tsomof @ufoi

> I fully understand this is an attempt to make it a more fair process but it's not hard for the individual to just block the instance themselves.

You're not wrong here. I think the goal is to de-incentivize knee-jerk or baseless bans.

I do think that if timely removals are necessary, that may be difficult or impossible to do unless we get enough members that span enough time zones.

@tsomof @ufoi To stay on topic, in my experience, I've never come across anyone on the #Fediverse who genuinely hates #LGBT people and won't tell them or others to kill themselves, so honestly adding that clause should be enough to keep those types of people away.

@realcaseyrollins @ufoi I have about 35 accounts who came at me one Sunday like that. They are definitely here & they don't usually dog pike unless you state on their thread racism & hate is ridiculous.

My guess is more than ½ are just soc accounts to make them seem bigger & I'm not even sure they are really from the states or white.

@tsomof @ufoi True. I do think instances like that (same thing happened to me as well, I got spammed with slurs by #Poast users for being black) should be blocked by something like #UFOI

@realcaseyrollins @ufoi it isn't hard to block them yourself. They really don't keep up with harassment. I got most of to block me because I spammed them with my TV service every hour in DMs. They go away pretty easy.

@tsomof @ufoi I ended up muting them for 48 hours when I got hit with the first wave, then permanently after #graf, the only guy on there who was cool, flew off the handle and blocked me after misinterpreting a joke and a few weeks later some other folks started a new spam brigade campaign.

But I think the point is to foster a healthy/family-friendly community, so "block them yourself" doesn't exactly fix the problem.

@realcaseyrollins @ufoi I'm not sure this problem can be fixed. It looks like a game of whack a mole. These people will just spin up new domains & continue, right?

I see your points though.

@jens @tsomof @ufoi

> So I’m just taking your word for it? I’d rather make up my own mind.

Isn't the whole point of this project to gather information, and share the evidence transparency without just taking people's word for it before banning?

> It could be that the solution to this doesn’t have to be so convoluted as the proposal is now.

Fair enough. What do you think about #UFOI should be changed?

cc @freemo