Make no mistake, the tories are abandoning the NHS so that when it catastrophically fails they can push a switch to an American style private insurance system, and people will simply die for being poor. Fuck those guys.

@quinn even if the tories were the reason, it just goes to show exactly why the government shouldnt get involved with healthcare, it will always be incompetant, the tories wont go away.

I dont think the american system works but ive lived in many coubtries and been subject to many socialized healthcare systems. If one thibg is obvious to me its thst socialized healthcare doesnt work either (not talking about helpibg out poor people financially with healthcare costs, that part i support)

@freemo they just work better than any other system in human history.

the tories want more privatization and the end of the the NHS as we know it, and they're about to not just be thrown out of power but possibly become a third party because of it. the polity of Britain really, really wants the NHS whole and well run.

Are they just wrong?

@quinn You are sounding like a broken record here... for the 10th time now maybe.. being better than things that in no way resemble what im proposing, no matter how many of those things there are is completely irrelevant to the argument at hand. Yet you keep **insisting** I argue about what is better... X or Y and think that is somehow relevant to the fact that I am saying I think Z is better. You keep replacing X with everything in all of history, and yet, it still never resembles Z, so your argument is just a waste of both our time.

@freemo you are presenting Z here as a random undefined state, which is so much better than the socialized systems of europe to make them logically equivalent to to the most expensive worst system there is.

@freemo i should mention that i've also gotten care in developing nations that was far, far superior to care I got in the united states.

@quinn Ok, thanks for sharing that irrelevant fact.