Unsurprised that the conservative majorty on this Supreme Court struck down affirmative action. I'm Anti-surprised, in fact. They'll likely do the same thing to student debt relief, later today or tomorrow.
It'll take about 3 years to see the full effects of today's decision across the higher education landscape; these justices won't care then, either.
If you want real remedies for centuries of inequity, inequality, and injustice, this court isn't where you need to go.
Hit the ballot box, the city council chambers, or the streets, instead.
What a sad mess.
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@Wolven I really need to look into this affirmative action ruling to get an opinion on it... Obviously it **sounds** like a good thing, as affirmative action was never a good way to solve the very real racism problem we have. But my fear is that better solution arent going to replace it so it still leaves a gapping problem.
Striking down the loan forgiveness stuff makes sense, we should have always been giving free education to future generations, but forcing loan company's to pay other peoples bills for an otherwise legitimate agreement, no thats just wrong.
> Said on the largest free information sharing platform in human history.
Information is not education, particularly when said information is unreliable and requires research, which requires education to do so effectively (flat earthers are a prime example of information without education).
> What we didn't waste money on is handing out a piece of parchment signed by someone who has no real world experience creating anything of human value.
I could care less about diplomas and degrees. I'd be more than happy to reform the way we look at school and have people take courses piecemeal and int he end have employers evaluate their skills, not a piece of paper.
@amiserabilist @SirPaulCouture @Wolven
If you have any points to be made from the article please feel free to make them and cite the article. Otherwise i dont have the bandwidth.
@freemo @SirPaulCouture @Wolven
Many students, especially those who are poor, intuitively know what the schools do for them. They school them to confuse process and substance. Once these become blurred, a new logic is assumed: the more treatment there is, the better are the results; or, escalation leads to success. The pupil is thereby “schooled” to confuse teaching with learning, grade advancement with education, a diploma with competence, and fluency with the ability to say something new.
@freemo disagree. Good day.
Disagreement is always welcome, your opinion is noted and appreciated. Thanks for sharing.
You too have a wonderful day.
@neekeeteen @freemo @Wolven Isn't "who will pay for it" kind of a moot point in the country with the biggest military budget in the world?
We had something similar, no new debts, but 100 billion for the military was ok. No further discussion about "who will pay" makes sense after it is established that only what to pay for influences such decisions.
No because "the government" isnt the only option paying for it... It could be the company issuing the loan that is shit out of luck and pays for it too. They also might get that money by taxing specific groups or a product (like how we tax gas.
@freemo @neekeeteen @Wolven Hmm, so it's a different kind of "who will pay for it". Yeah, makes sense to think about this, were the lenders predatory enough to let them have it, should the state pay, ... anyone but the students :-)
Im not sure how you can claim a loan for education is predatory...
@freemo I did no such thing. I said to consider if.
Many things cropped up about predarory loans in america, and i do not know if this (or some of these) is/are one of the cases.
@admitsWrongIfProven @neekeeteen @Wolven
Even I have to step in on this one @freemo .
It's well-known that young and naive kids have been taking out loans for college that they cannot easily afford to pay back afterwards.
Predatory student loans target individuals who will be desperate enough for tuition money to sign whatever comes back there way- only to exacerbate their inevitable debt with additional charges that bring them further from closing the account. Why? Long-term payments. And when said company decides they need the $, they sell the debt to another company.
@lucifargundam @freemo Ah, an answer from someone who knows stuff, much better than me non-american rattling on about vague concepts!
And i wonder what would happen if the underlying philosophy of "You can't just cancel debts" were applied to everyone equally ;-)
@freemo @admitsWrongIfProven @neekeeteen @Wolven
There may be some misconception here. I'm pretty sure that the loans that are in question in the court case are loans from the federal government. The only private organizations involved as far as I'm aware are servicing (providing services around the loans like answering questions and collecting payments for the government) the loans. While they would have less business if the loans were forgiven, that isn't the same thing as "paying for it", and they aren't "issuing" the loan.
As far as predatory behavior, there were definitely some predatory "schools" like ITT Tech or or DeVry University; is that what you're referencing?
@freemo Affirmative action has its problems, but especially for higher education, it does far more good than harm.
Plus, remember, the prestige colleges already have a reverse-affirmative-action system in place called "legacies". There really ought to be a counter-balance.
@LouisIngenthron If you give advantages based on poverty, not race, you solve both issues...
On the one hand so long as racism exists and minorities disadvantaged they will be a larger portion of the group in poverty and thus would get helped.
Since its based on poverty then it isnt explicitly racial in nature so address the racism concerns.
@freemo The problem with that is that proving poverty is much more onerous than proving race. That adds paperwork hurdles that have to be jumped, usually not by the applicant themselves, but by their guardians. This phenomenon is responsible for some of the poorest families in our country failing to qualify for free student lunches for their kids.
Given that no system is perfect, requiring representation equal to the demographics of the overall population in our most critical institutions seems to be the best step forward we can reasonably expect at this time.
But also, on the other side of the equation, even the population of rich kid students shouldn't be homogenously white... it should apply to all, not just the scholarship crowd.
@freemo @Wolven
"we should have always been giving free education to future generations"
Said on the largest free information sharing platform in human history.
What we didn't waste money on is handing out a piece of parchment signed by someone who has no real world experience creating anything of human value.