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@freemo I also want trump in jail but Biden has been a great president. He would be better by miles than any GOP candidate.
@mdylanbell Well we clearly agree at least on the part that we both want Trump in jail.
As for Biden being better than ny GOP candidate.. i dunno its hard to compare its hard to compare a bucket of shit and a bowl of shit and determine which one is better... I'd say Biden is far worse than many of them, even though most GOP choices are pretty horrific too.
Bidens horrific racism, previously overt, now masked, is really hard to compare to from anyone on the GOP side... the man spent most of his career trying to keep segregation alive, I cant think of too many on the GOP who are half as evil as that to be honest, though i agree they are quite evil regardless.
@freemo oh, sorry to see you aren’t a fan of facts and are easily duped by fascist rhetoric. Blocked.
@mdylanbell LAWL... i mean he is a family friend and all.. lolol
>"[Biden] spent most of his career trying to keep segregation alive, I cant think of too many on the GOP who are half as evil as that to be honest"
1. There is no doubt that Biden was racist 50 years ago when he opposed desegregation of schools in Delaware. He said it would create "a racial jungle". (However, I know of no evidence that supports the statement that he "spent most of his career trying to keep segregation alive".)
That was 50-years ago. Today obviously he is not a racist, based on his appointments, policies and pubic comments.
As to being worse than the Republicans, most if not all of the major candidates supported Trump very recently, an overt racist, and any one who openly supports a racist for public office is a racist -- today.
2. To judge someone based on who they were or what they said 50-years ago is about the dumbest fucking thing I can think of. In fact, assessing any candidate today based on what they say or promise today is pretty stupid, too, (unless they are openly racist) because truth and integrity are gone and no one can be trusted.
All we can do is look at what laws got passed and what policies were implemented and what the effect of those policies were and evaluate an officeholder based on that. If half of all the things you want and laws you support got done, then reelect the incumbents; if not, then vote for someone else who has not held high office before and has not yet had a chance to fuck things up.
Matt, I think blocking someone who is misinformed is not constructive. I think it is better to engage them and correct them rather than avoid them, (if the guy is sincere in their views and comments, as Freemo is.) My advise, FWIW.
(FWIW = for what it's worth)
@Pat @mdylanbell Thats not what I see at all. I think think thats exactly the act he wants you to buy and think.. in reality he has moved from being overtly racist, to exploiting minorities for his own gain... ill explain why.
For me to even **consider** he had a change of heart what I need to see is a heart felt sobbing apology for his abysmal attitude throughout most of his life and the racist policies he fought so hard for... Guess what, he has never apologize ONCE, not even a feigned apology, we got shit.
No person alive could have been that person, changed to caring about minorities and not apologize... that alone tells me he never changed, he just changed tactics.
What he did was he realized the world was changing so by exploiting minorities it worked out better for him. So instead of apologizing he just rewrote his image, surrounded himself with every minority he could exploit to help his image and used and abused the community so he could win power...
He never changed, he just cared more about power than anything else, and so he decided to market a different image, thats it.
Keep in mind as I've said before Biden is a personal friend of the family too, so much of my opinion about him and his racism comes from personal interaction.
@freemo Sounds reasonable, even without knowing him personally. Change without acknowledgement of past misdeeds rings hollow.
>"Keep in mind as I've said before Biden is a personal friend of the family too, so much of my opinion about him and his racism comes from personal interaction."
If you have heard him say racist things in private, then I guess you can make an assessment based on that. I've only been around him once and I don't know him personally, so all I can go by is what he's said and done publicly.
Also, for me deeds carry much more weight than some carefully crafted political apology.
But as I said, from now on I'm going purely on what gets done while officeholders are in office, not what they say. They haven't even come close to doing half of the stuff I want, so no incumbent will get my vote.
(Also, Biden helped kill about 800,000 Americans while he was in office during the pandemic, so...)
> If you have heard him say racist things in private, then I guess you can make an assessment based on that. I've only been around him once and I don't know him personally, so all I can go by is what he's said and done publicly.
Yea and I understand this will only effect my personal opinion. Which is why in these conversations I mostly stick to what is publicly seen and keep what ive seen in private and cant prove out of the convo. But it is important to point out that im influenced byt hese things personally
> Also, for me deeds carry much more weight than some carefully crafted political apology.
Nah, you need both... **especially** when it is in his best interest to hide his past and hope everyone forgets, which is what most people do. An apology would hurt his chances of be president, thats the ONLY reason its authentic. If it was recent then i would agree, the apology is just expected and wouldnt mean much.. but in this situation the apology would actually be authentic and meaningful, which is why he isnt giving one.
> But as I said, from now on I'm going purely on what gets done while officeholders are in office, not what they say. They haven't even come close to doing half of the stuff I want, so no incumbent will get my vote.
I care about the whole package.. most of what a president does we will never see, so we cant judge him on most of his actions. Which is why its so important I trust them and think they are a decent person. Because their actions are all a parade, the ones we see anyway.
> (Also, Biden helped kill about 800,000 Americans while he was in office during the pandemic, so...)
Thats a bit nuanced.. but I tend to agree that most leaders really didnt handle the pandemic well and Biden is no exception.
@Pat You havent heard me mention any names of anyone worth supporting yet have you? lol
@freemo
>"Which is why its so important I trust them and think they are a decent person."
So, you're not supporting anyone then?