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I thinkt he book awards can do whatever they like, and are within their rights. But it was the wrong decision. As far as I know Drew didnt hire any non-union writers, nor as she personally violated any of their asks... She is perfectly ok.
The bigger issue is the cancel culture, I know I will not give any attention to the book awards (As is my right) due to this decision.
@freemo @georgetakei The show has her name on it, so she's ultimately responsible.
Besides, 'Cancel Culture' has been around for thousands of years (ostracism), and will quite likely be around for many more.
> The show has her name on it, so she's ultimately responsible.
I never said she wasnt responsible for the decision. I said that her decision was the correct one and thus she did no wrong doing.
> Besides, 'Cancel Culture' has been around for thousands of years (ostracism), and will quite likely be around for many more.
You seem to be confused what Cancel Culture means. It isnt just the act of boycotting, we have always done that and its fine. Its a Culture where boycotting is central to that culture, which is a recent development.
@freemo @georgetakei
I don't think her decision was the right one. We are at a critical crossroad with regards to many things, and her actions are a potential dent in the armor.
Also, I'm not confused about cancel culture.
It's not that boycotting is central to the culture, it's that the internet makes protesting that much easier, and therefore people don't actually have to go out and do something.
Therefore what we have is not a culture of cancelation. That's always been around.
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> I don't think her decision was the right one. We are at a critical crossroad with regards to many things, and her actions are a potential dent in the armor.
On that we strongly disagree.
> Also, I'm not confused about cancel culture.
> Therefore what we have is not a culture of cancelation. That's always been around.
I mean clearly you still are since you said you werent confused, then went on to perfectly agree with me... You said "thats always been around"... ok so you just said Cancel Culture has always been around, thats literally you admitting that Cancel Culture is a thing, you just dont think its a new thing.
@freemo @georgetakei
I'm not because my point was that the central issue is not the cancelation mentality, it's the "I'm outraged now so lets do something now, preferably something that doesn't involve much effort".
Actions have consequences, that's the basis for ostracism. So that basis will always be behind most responses to things like this.
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@freemo @georgetakei But the change we have now is not a shift in that mentality, its with the ease of access that we have to information and the ability to react to it almost instantly.
We see a post that angers us and we can immediately reply to it, and repost it, express our anger, giving it greater visibility.
But in that same way, we can see something online and immediately buy it.
We've become a more visceral society, where we tend to act more impulsively than ever before.
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Sure, but that immediate response thing has been around long before the dynamic arose of frivolous boycotts. If they were as closely linked as you suggest I would have expected them to both emerge at the same time, not with a 20 year lag.
> I think it was already here before, but it got a significant boom when smartphones became a thing & we got instant access to anything & everything.
I mean people canceled things before sure, and there were frivolous examples of it. But it was more of a rarity. It seems to be in overdrive the last few years (which is where the distinction comes in too)
@freemo @georgetakei
Granted, but its not the only thing that's in overdrive and frivolous nowadays.
Which is why I said that it wasn't the problem, it was one symptom of the problem.
Hopefully if (normally I'd say when, but I'm not so sure that it'll happen) things calm down, we'll see a return to a "normal cancel culture" like it was in the days of yore. 😅
> Granted, but its not the only thing that's in overdrive and frivolous nowadays.
Agreed
> Which is why I said that it wasn't the problem, it was one symptom of the problem.
Also agree, it is more a symptom than the root problem.
> Hopefully if (normally I'd say when, but I'm not so sure that it'll happen) things calm down, we'll see a return to a "normal cancel culture" like it was in the days of yore. 😅
One can hope :)
@freemo @georgetakei
I think it was already here before, but it got a significant boom when smartphones became a thing & we got instant access to anything & everything.
As for the rest...
The world is becoming more extremist in its views. Ppl are being pushed further & further apart, to the point where we almost sound alien to one another.
That happened slowly with major help from social media & the ease with which it groups us with similar thinking ppl while separating us from everyone else.